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twc and channel scan w/hvr-1600
i use my hvr-1600 to watch clear QAM on time warner cable in the
Raleigh, NC area. recently the local ABC station disappeared and their
website said to rescan as the station was moved on TWC. i've tried
several methods to try to re-find the station, but non have worked so
far:

w_scan -o 7 -fa -A2 -c US -x > channels.scan
scandvb channels.scan > channels.conf

and

w_scan -fa -c US -A2 -M > channels.conf

and

scandvb -A 2 /usr/share/dvb/atsc/us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 > channels.conf

none finds the ABC station, but i still find the old FOX, NBC, and CBS
stations fine.

i'm running it on fedora 15 with the regular 2.6.35.13-92.fc14.x86_64
kernel driver.

any suggestions?

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Re: twc and channel scan w/hvr-1600 [ In reply to ]
On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Daniel Flesner <danimal@agriroots.com> wrote:
>
> i use my hvr-1600 to watch clear QAM on time warner cable in the
> Raleigh, NC area. recently the local ABC station disappeared and their
> website said to rescan as the station was moved on TWC. i've tried
> several methods to try to re-find the station, but non have worked so
> far:
>
> w_scan -o 7 -fa -A2 -c US -x > channels.scan
> scandvb channels.scan > channels.conf
>
> and
>
> w_scan -fa -c US -A2 -M > channels.conf
>
> and
>
> scandvb -A 2 /usr/share/dvb/atsc/us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 > channels.conf
>
> none finds the ABC station, but i still find the old FOX, NBC, and CBS
> stations fine.
>
> i'm running it on fedora 15 with the regular 2.6.35.13-92.fc14.x86_64
> kernel driver.
>
> any suggestions?

Rescanning is indeed the typical course of action required when the
cable headend moves around the channels. Not sure why it's failing to
detect for you though.

Do you have a cable box somewhere in your house? If so, sometimes the
hidden debug menu will tell you what frequency you are tuned to. If
so, you can put the cable box onto ABC and then see what the frequency
is, then try to tune to that directly. Some cable boxes also show the
"video/audio" pids, which is also a really useful data point. And if
the debug menu shows an SNR, that too would be useful since it might
tell us if the signal is too weak/strong...

The above said though, of course that should not be necessary, but it
might offer some insight as to the nature of the problem which we can
use to find the correct fix.

Cheers,

Devin

--
Devin J. Heitmueller - Kernel Labs
http://www.kernellabs.com

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Re: twc and channel scan w/hvr-1600 [ In reply to ]
Daniel Flesner <danimal@agriroots.com> wrote:

>
>i use my hvr-1600 to watch clear QAM on time warner cable in the
>Raleigh, NC area. recently the local ABC station disappeared and their
>website said to rescan as the station was moved on TWC. i've tried
>several methods to try to re-find the station, but non have worked so
>far:
>
>w_scan -o 7 -fa -A2 -c US -x > channels.scan
>scandvb channels.scan > channels.conf
>
>and
>
>w_scan -fa -c US -A2 -M > channels.conf
>
>and
>
>scandvb -A 2
>/usr/share/dvb/atsc/us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 >
>channels.conf
>
>none finds the ABC station, but i still find the old FOX, NBC, and CBS
>stations fine.
>
>i'm running it on fedora 15 with the regular 2.6.35.13-92.fc14.x86_64
>kernel driver.
>
>any suggestions?
>
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You might get the freq and PID info by going here and entering your zip code:

http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/

-Andy

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Re: twc and channel scan w/hvr-1600 [ In reply to ]
Andy Walls <awalls@md.metrocast.net> writes:

> Daniel Flesner <danimal@agriroots.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>i use my hvr-1600 to watch clear QAM on time warner cable in the
>>Raleigh, NC area. recently the local ABC station disappeared and their
>>website said to rescan as the station was moved on TWC. i've tried
>>several methods to try to re-find the station, but non have worked so
>>far:
>>
>>w_scan -o 7 -fa -A2 -c US -x > channels.scan
>>scandvb channels.scan > channels.conf
>>
>>and
>>
>>w_scan -fa -c US -A2 -M > channels.conf
>>
>>and
>>
>>scandvb -A 2
>>/usr/share/dvb/atsc/us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 >
>>channels.conf
>>
>>none finds the ABC station, but i still find the old FOX, NBC, and CBS
>>stations fine.
>>
>>i'm running it on fedora 15 with the regular 2.6.35.13-92.fc14.x86_64
>>kernel driver.
>>
>>any suggestions?
>>
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>>ivtv-users@ivtvdriver.org
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>
> You might get the freq and PID info by going here and entering your zip code:
>
> http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/

interesting, ABC is missing on that page as well. maybe it's just gone i
guess. that list seems to match mine as far as i've checked.

thanks for the pointer,

>
> -Andy
>
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Re: twc and channel scan w/hvr-1600 [ In reply to ]
Daniel Flesner <danimal@dakar.agriroots.com> writes:

> Andy Walls <awalls@md.metrocast.net> writes:
>
>> Daniel Flesner <danimal@agriroots.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>i use my hvr-1600 to watch clear QAM on time warner cable in the
>>>Raleigh, NC area. recently the local ABC station disappeared and their
>>>website said to rescan as the station was moved on TWC. i've tried
>>>several methods to try to re-find the station, but non have worked so
>>>far:
>>>
>>>w_scan -o 7 -fa -A2 -c US -x > channels.scan
>>>scandvb channels.scan > channels.conf
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>w_scan -fa -c US -A2 -M > channels.conf
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>scandvb -A 2
>>>/usr/share/dvb/atsc/us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 >
>>>channels.conf
>>>
>>>none finds the ABC station, but i still find the old FOX, NBC, and CBS
>>>stations fine.
>>>
>>>i'm running it on fedora 15 with the regular 2.6.35.13-92.fc14.x86_64
>>>kernel driver.
>>>
>>>any suggestions?
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>ivtv-users mailing list
>>>ivtv-users@ivtvdriver.org
>>>http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-users
>>
>> You might get the freq and PID info by going here and entering your zip code:
>>
>> http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/
>
> interesting, ABC is missing on that page as well. maybe it's just gone i
> guess. that list seems to match mine as far as i've checked.
>
> thanks for the pointer,
>

i started investigating this again since ABC started showing up on the
silicondust site. they show it as channels 99-1,2, and 3. after
looking at the frequency charts it describes these as "mid-band", much
lower than the 94 and 100 channels? so i did a scandvb and looked at
those frequencies and i get a tuning error:

>>> tune to: 93000000:QAM_256
WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
>>> tune to: 93000000:QAM_256 (tuning failed)
WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
>>> tune to: 99000000:QAM_256
WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
>>> tune to: 99000000:QAM_256 (tuning failed)
WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
>>> tune to: 105000000:QAM_256
WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
>>> tune to: 105000000:QAM_256 (tuning failed)
WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
>>> tune to: 111000000:QAM_256
WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
>>> tune to: 111000000:QAM_256 (tuning failed)
WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
>>> tune to: 117000000:QAM_256
WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
>>> tune to: 117000000:QAM_256 (tuning failed)
WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!

is this a problem with the driver, the card, or scandvb? w_scan seems to
give the same errors in that frequency range.

my system is stock fedora 14 with kernel 2.6.35.14-95.fc14.x86_64 currently.

thanks again for any help,

>>
>> -Andy
>>
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Re: twc and channel scan w/hvr-1600 [ In reply to ]
Daniel Flesner <danimal@agriroots.com> writes:

> Daniel Flesner <danimal@agriroots.com> writes:
>
>> Andy Walls <awalls@md.metrocast.net> writes:
>>
>>> Daniel Flesner <danimal@agriroots.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>i use my hvr-1600 to watch clear QAM on time warner cable in the
>>>>Raleigh, NC area. recently the local ABC station disappeared and their
>>>>website said to rescan as the station was moved on TWC. i've tried
>>>>several methods to try to re-find the station, but non have worked so
>>>>far:
>>>>
>>>>w_scan -o 7 -fa -A2 -c US -x > channels.scan
>>>>scandvb channels.scan > channels.conf
>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>w_scan -fa -c US -A2 -M > channels.conf
>>>>
>>>>and
>>>>
>>>>scandvb -A 2
>>>>/usr/share/dvb/atsc/us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 >
>>>>channels.conf
>>>>
>>>>none finds the ABC station, but i still find the old FOX, NBC, and CBS
>>>>stations fine.
>>>>
>>>>i'm running it on fedora 15 with the regular 2.6.35.13-92.fc14.x86_64
>>>>kernel driver.
>>>>
>>>>any suggestions?
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>ivtv-users mailing list
>>>>ivtv-users@ivtvdriver.org
>>>>http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-users
>>>
>>> You might get the freq and PID info by going here and entering your zip code:
>>>
>>> http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/
>>
>> interesting, ABC is missing on that page as well. maybe it's just gone i
>> guess. that list seems to match mine as far as i've checked.
>>
>> thanks for the pointer,
>>
>
> i started investigating this again since ABC started showing up on the
> silicondust site. they show it as channels 99-1,2, and 3. after
> looking at the frequency charts it describes these as "mid-band", much
> lower than the 94 and 100 channels? so i did a scandvb and looked at
> those frequencies and i get a tuning error:
>
> >>> tune to: 93000000:QAM_256
> WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
> >>> tune to: 93000000:QAM_256 (tuning failed)
> WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
> >>> tune to: 99000000:QAM_256
> WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
> >>> tune to: 99000000:QAM_256 (tuning failed)
> WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
> >>> tune to: 105000000:QAM_256
> WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
> >>> tune to: 105000000:QAM_256 (tuning failed)
> WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
> >>> tune to: 111000000:QAM_256
> WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
> >>> tune to: 111000000:QAM_256 (tuning failed)
> WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
> >>> tune to: 117000000:QAM_256
> WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
> >>> tune to: 117000000:QAM_256 (tuning failed)
> WARNING: >>> tuning failed!!!
>

femon seems to show a weaker signal at that 117000000 MHz, but using
mplayer to tune i get a--could not set channel error. curiously the
channel number is wrong, 50 instead of 99?

femon:

using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0'
FE: Samsung S5H1409 QAM/8VSB Frontend (TERRESTRIAL)
status 00 | signal 0113 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
status 00 | signal 0112 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
status 00 | signal 0112 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
status 00 | signal 0112 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
status 00 | signal 0112 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
status 00 | signal 0112 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
status 00 | signal 0112 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
status 00 | signal 0112 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
status 00 | signal 0112 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
status 00 | signal 0112 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |


mplayer dvb:

Playing dvb://ABC.
dvb_tune Freq: 117000000
Not able to lock to the signal on the given frequency, timeout: 30
dvb_tune, TUNING FAILED
ERROR, COULDN'T SET CHANNEL 50: Failed to open dvb://ABC.



any suggestions for further debugging greatly appreciated, thanks.
daniel

> is this a problem with the driver, the card, or scandvb? w_scan seems to
> give the same errors in that frequency range.
>
> my system is stock fedora 14 with kernel 2.6.35.14-95.fc14.x86_64 currently.
>
> thanks again for any help,
>
>>>
>>> -Andy
>>>
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>>
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Re: twc and channel scan w/hvr-1600 [ In reply to ]
On Sun, 2011-09-25 at 14:18 -0400, Daniel Flesner wrote:
> Daniel Flesner <danimal@agriroots.com> writes:
>
> > Daniel Flesner <danimal@agriroots.com> writes:
> >
> >> Andy Walls <awalls@md.metrocast.net> writes:
> >>
> >>> Daniel Flesner <danimal@agriroots.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>i use my hvr-1600 to watch clear QAM on time warner cable in the
> >>>>Raleigh, NC area. recently the local ABC station disappeared and their
> >>>>website said to rescan as the station was moved on TWC. i've tried
> >>>>several methods to try to re-find the station, but non have worked so
> >>>>far:
> >>>>
> >>>>w_scan -o 7 -fa -A2 -c US -x > channels.scan
> >>>>scandvb channels.scan > channels.conf
> >>>>
> >>>>and
> >>>>
> >>>>w_scan -fa -c US -A2 -M > channels.conf
> >>>>
> >>>>and
> >>>>
> >>>>scandvb -A 2
> >>>>/usr/share/dvb/atsc/us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256 >
> >>>>channels.conf
> >>>>
> >>>>none finds the ABC station, but i still find the old FOX, NBC, and CBS
> >>>>stations fine.
> >>>>
> >>>>i'm running it on fedora 15 with the regular 2.6.35.13-92.fc14.x86_64
> >>>>kernel driver.
> >>>>
> >>>>any suggestions?
> >>>>
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>ivtv-users mailing list
> >>>>ivtv-users@ivtvdriver.org
> >>>>http://ivtvdriver.org/mailman/listinfo/ivtv-users
> >>>
> >>> You might get the freq and PID info by going here and entering your zip code:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.silicondust.com/support/channels/
> >>
> >> interesting, ABC is missing on that page as well. maybe it's just gone i
> >> guess. that list seems to match mine as far as i've checked.
> >>
> >> thanks for the pointer,
> >>
> >
> > i started investigating this again since ABC started showing up on the
> > silicondust site. they show it as channels 99-1,2, and 3. after
> > looking at the frequency charts it describes these as "mid-band", much
> > lower than the 94 and 100 channels? so i did a scandvb and looked at
> > those frequencies and i get a tuning error:

So I took a look around.

Mousing over the TWC listing at SiliconDust for 27601 (Raleigh, NC):
http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_web/US:27601#lineup_8236687

The mouse-over text for the RF channel 99(-1), Virtual Channel 11.1
listing for ABC\ HD is "117 MHz".

Also Midband channel 99 matches with a 117 MHz center freq for QAM,
according to:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_cable_television_frequencies#North_America_cable_television_frequencies

So you want whatever is at 117 MHz, to get ABC.

BTW, midband freq's on Cable TV systems uses the same frequencies as
terrestrial over the air FM radio and VOR (and DME?) navigation
stations. So midband freqs are never used over the air for TV.

However, if you have an amplifier with an "FM trap" (aka broadcast FM
station notch filter), you must set the trap to "Out" to avoid notch
filtering out the midband freqs.

Other than that, you'll want to make sure the cable plant that is under
you control is as good as it can be:

http://ivtvdriver.org/index.php/Howto:Improve_signal_quality

You may also want to experiment with a direct, very short cable run to
the HVR-1600, temporarily disconnecting all the other splitters and
cable runs in your residence. For QAM256, you need a pretty good SNR.

>
> femon seems to show a weaker signal at that 117000000 MHz,

The signal measurment from the hardware is meaningless without a signal
lock first (i.e. the measurement is junk).

> but using
> mplayer to tune i get a--could not set channel error. curiously the
> channel number is wrong, 50 instead of 99?

mplayer has a search order for channels.conf files. It prefers the one
in ~/.mplayer/channels.conf first, IIRC.

I'm not sure that 50 is a channel number, it might be an error code from
mplayer. *shrug*


> femon:
>
> using '/dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0'
> FE: Samsung S5H1409 QAM/8VSB Frontend (TERRESTRIAL)
> status 00 | signal 0113 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
> status 00 | signal 0112 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
> status 00 | signal 0112 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
> status 00 | signal 0112 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
> status 00 | signal 0112 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
> status 00 | signal 0112 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
> status 00 | signal 0112 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
> status 00 | signal 0112 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
> status 00 | signal 0112 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
> status 00 | signal 0112 | snr 010e | ber 00000000 | unc 00000000 |
>
>
> mplayer dvb:
>
> Playing dvb://ABC.
> dvb_tune Freq: 117000000
> Not able to lock to the signal on the given frequency, timeout: 30
> dvb_tune, TUNING FAILED
> ERROR, COULDN'T SET CHANNEL 50: Failed to open dvb://ABC.
>
>
>
> any suggestions for further debugging greatly appreciated, thanks.
> daniel

That's all I have so far.

Regards,
Andy


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