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IC GUI a bit OT
Doug Alcorn wrote:

> > Viktors Rotanovs wrote:
> >
> > > 1) qt/kde usage...GPL-licensed.
>
> Qt is only GPLed for Unix-like platforms...But, that is not really relevant here.
>
> > I will look into the HTML editor..always welcomed.
>
> This is verging on a slippery-slope of an editor war. Why not just
> provide hooks for the user to call their favorite editor?

Well Doug since I am the head of this snake what I say goes regardless :) Anyway my
main reasoning for not calling in another editor and having it built in is lack of an
editor to call in. To my knowledge there is no scanner for [ ] type tags (that's why
I am building one for the Linux community) also how do you propose to parse the IC
portion of the code in an editor not built to specifically do so? Don't need to
answer that one just my thoughts. How can you Drag -n- Drop code into an editor that
does not allow from another app? Yes BONOBO is coming along but if that editor does
not support BONOBO, can not parse or even deal with the [ ] tags you as a user are
SOL. How could I possibly see my db changes in my pages with let's say Adobe as my
editor? Not to mention the code involved to take into account every editor out there.

I am not out to compete with any HTML editor on the market except possibly the
offerings that are comparable. This is far beyond a Bluefish or Kwrite and while they
are nice tools in their own right they are not the proper tool for Interchange. That
last one was a IMHO :) This is thought of as server mentality not user.

A quick examination of why Microsoft succeeds and one sees a major part is GUI and
integration with other apps. IIS and FP with Access and asp. So we have RH/Apache and
SQL / flat files and embedded perl. What's missing? FP. Just like Bluefish is not
designed to compete with software like FP what I am working on will not threaten
Bluefish in any way except lacks in areas where they feel I am strong and they need
to be stronger in.

What stops real success of Linux? It is all disjointed individual efforts. Look at
AbiWord great app but that is the end of it. You need a Star Office to compete in a
market saturated with MS Office, Lotus and Corel. The Linux community needs stronger
apps to move forward. I felt this 3 years ago and still do. This is about on the home
desktop, in the small office and so on. "Why learn any code when I can just buy FP
and go? I have a business to run I do not have time to learn all this."

I am out of breath now so I will retreat to my corner and reflect :) Everyone have a
great day.

Steve


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IC GUI a bit OT [ In reply to ]
As a user of 25 years I can only agree 100% with your viewpoints. I hate what
FP does to Unix security and I'll never use it but, it is a simple and
powerful way for a novice to get something up. It's hard to beat.

The easier and stronger your editor becomes in integrating with IC the better
off Linux will be. Besides, I'm sure we will be better off having it be
developed by someone with (what I figure) high experience with IC.

This is my offbeat way of saying stick to your guns!

On Wednesday 03 January 2001 13:00, you wrote:
> Well Doug since I am the head of this snake what I say goes regardless :)
> Anyway my main reasoning for not calling in another editor and having it
> built in is lack of an editor to call in. To my knowledge there is no
> scanner for [ ] type tags (that's why I am building one for the Linux
> community) also how do you propose to parse the IC portion of the code in
> an editor not built to specifically do so? Don't need to answer that one
> just my thoughts. How can you Drag -n- Drop code into an editor that does
> not allow from another app? Yes BONOBO is coming along but if that editor
> does not support BONOBO, can not parse or even deal with the [ ] tags you
> as a user are SOL. How could I possibly see my db changes in my pages with
> let's say Adobe as my editor? Not to mention the code involved to take into
> account every editor out there.
>
> I am not out to compete with any HTML editor on the market except possibly
> the offerings that are comparable. This is far beyond a Bluefish or Kwrite
> and while they are nice tools in their own right they are not the proper
> tool for Interchange. That last one was a IMHO :) This is thought of as
> server mentality not user.
>
> A quick examination of why Microsoft succeeds and one sees a major part is
> GUI and integration with other apps. IIS and FP with Access and asp. So we
> have RH/Apache and SQL / flat files and embedded perl. What's missing? FP.
> Just like Bluefish is not designed to compete with software like FP what I
> am working on will not threaten Bluefish in any way except lacks in areas
> where they feel I am strong and they need to be stronger in.
>
> What stops real success of Linux? It is all disjointed individual efforts.
> Look at AbiWord great app but that is the end of it. You need a Star Office
> to compete in a market saturated with MS Office, Lotus and Corel. The Linux
> community needs stronger apps to move forward. I felt this 3 years ago and
> still do. This is about on the home desktop, in the small office and so on.
> "Why learn any code when I can just buy FP and go? I have a business to run
> I do not have time to learn all this."
>
> I am out of breath now so I will retreat to my corner and reflect :)
> Everyone have a great day.
>
> Steve
>
>
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> 702 Lincolnway West steveandpatti@wubs.org
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> 219-287-4700 (Main Office) 317-535-0239 (Direct Line)
> =========================================================
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>
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IC GUI a bit OT [ In reply to ]
Steve & Patti Getzinger wrote:

>
> I am out of breath now so I will retreat to my corner and reflect :) Everyone have a
> great day.
>
> Steve
>

Hi steve,

Include this in your reflections. In the short time I have been on this list I have seen
good things from you. I think what you are doing with the GUI is great and wish you well
in your endeavor. Keep the vision and keep us posted on your progress.

I personally am swamped and I am only a beginner with IC so I can't offer much help now.
However, I have been designing and developing code for many years and know how much it
takes to develop good software. I hope this small bit of encouragement helps some and
that I am able to contribute to your effort more in the future.

Ron D.

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