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Marek Werstak wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> please put a short pro message here:
>
> http://forum.skype.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=4153&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
>
> and distribute the link to your friends too. Maybe we will see skype
> on PPC one day. ;-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Marek

Gnomemeeting is working fine on ppc and I would not support the hype
about skype.
Please support gnomemeeting and start thinking about open sip/asterisk
server.

my 2 cents

lu

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Hello,

> Gnomemeeting is working fine on ppc and I would not support the
> hype about skype.

In my opinion we should support the hype, because the standard user
wants this stuff ... I sat a whole long day at the information stand
of an Linux Info Meeting with my iBook dressed with a gentoo shirt,
of course! and the questions were always the same ... Can you open
MS-docs? Can you watch Flash? Do you skype? I would like to buy a
Pegasos or Mac, but ... Why do you use Linux on a Mac and so
on ........

We should do it to increase our market ;-)

Regards,

Marek
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On 16 Nov 2004 at 21h11, Marek Werstak wrote:

Hi,

> We should do it to increase our market ;-)

Who cares about our market ? :)
PPC users are about 3 or 4%. Linux users are less than 8%.
PPC-linux users are about 4% of 4%. I don't think the linuxppc
market share really imports...
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Marek Werstak wrote:
> Hello,
>
>
>>>Gnomemeeting is working fine on ppc and I would not support the
>>>hype about skype.
>
>
> In my opinion we should support the hype, because the standard user
> wants this stuff ... I sat a whole long day at the information stand
> of an Linux Info Meeting with my iBook dressed with a gentoo shirt,
> of course! and the questions were always the same ... Can you open
> MS-docs? Can you watch Flash? Do you skype? I would like to buy a
> Pegasos or Mac, but ... Why do you use Linux on a Mac and so
> on ........

My answers to random maybe next user:
- You can use openoffice or other office automation suite without major
issues.
- There are plugins that let you see flash even if there is better stuff
around (ever heard about svg?)
- You can use gnomemeeting.
- Pegasos or Mac is the same we do our best to support everything
produced by people supporting us.
- I use linux on mac because is faster, I don't like so much the Apple
UI and I like to have choice even on the UI.

My answers to you:
- Most flash uses looks dumb from my point of view. I don't like
proprietary solution if there is something better around that just
deserve more attention. If somebody ask me about flash, I'd tell him how
svg is good most time.
- Skype is just hype, if you know that there is asterix and that you
could have the same results with nicer tools (see gnomemeeting) just
using something different from h323 and the baseline gsm codec, you'd
move away from skype and start using that.
- Microsoft formats again are dumb and I started to write my documents
on xml after having bad experience with tex. For people that do like
complex implementation there is openoffice, abiword and so on.

There is plenty of better solution, why you use an "alternative
platform" and just ask to have the overhyped, overcommecialized, low
quality offers?

lu

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>> We should do it to increase our market ;-)
>
> Who cares about our market ? :)

We all should! The only reason you're running linux on ppc at all is
because the market was big enough to attrack some hobbyists, and some
corporate interest (IBM etc.).

Why don't we have Flash and wireless drivers? Our market isn't big enough yet!
Maybe Skype isn't the deciding factor for you to use linux on ppc (it
isn't for me!), but for someone it may be.

When there's enough people using linux-ppc, companies will have a
financial interest in releasing their software and hardware to work
for it.

Michael

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Luca Barbato wrote:
> My answers to random maybe next user:
...
> My answers to you:
...
> There is plenty of better solution, why you use an "alternative
> platform" and just ask to have the overhyped, overcommecialized, low
> quality offers?

Well said! It is good to see other people who are not so easily
distracted by smoke and mirrors. It seems to me that the more people
use linux and other open source tools, the less the OSS-using population
as a whole remembers or even is aware of it's reason for being. IMHO,
http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/philosophy.html should be required reading
for anyone who agrees to the GPL.

Not because I'm better than you because I use linux, but because I'm
bettered by its use, as are you.

Thoughtfully,
-Nick Dimiduk

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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 08:42 am, stuporglue wrote:
> Why don't we have Flash and wireless drivers? Our market isn't big enough
> yet! Maybe Skype isn't the deciding factor for you to use linux on ppc (it
> isn't for me!), but for someone it may be.

I agree to a large extent with what Luca, Colin and Nick have already posted,
but I'll add to that: what is "our market" you're talking about? I don't
think the market you're in is the same as the one I'm in.

I'm in the Free Software market. I imagine many of the hobbyists you refered
to are in the same market. So are most of the people who use alternative
operating systems on alternative architectures, even if they don't realise
it.

I accept that if the Linux/PPC market was bigger, it might have a functional
Flash, Skype or Java Plugin. But "grow the market" is not the only answer to
these issues, and I don't think it is the correct one. If these apps were not
proprietry, the size of the market would not be relevant. I hope you can see
that "free the software" is a more elegant solution than "grow the market".

"Grow the market" is really just a workaround for the problem. In the long
term, you arrive back at the same problem. "Free the software" solves the
problem.

I have a lot to say about this issue, but I don't want to flood the list, so
I'll stop there for now. I appreciate that these kind of issues are hard to
convey to the people who ask you questions at your Linux Info Meetings.

cheers,

John