Well someone needs to make this clear in the docs or
web site. Either way, I can see now why other distro's
want nothing to do with SGI. These configurations are
insane!
mp
--- "Christopher G. Stach II" <cgs@ldsys.net> wrote:
> There you go again, mixing things up! :) IP32
> doesn't mean a whole
> lot, because it can be either R5000 (works),
> RM[57]xxx (works enough),
> or R10000 (doesn't work). Then you can have IP27
> with R10000 (works),
> or IP28 with R10000 (doesn't work). As Kumba said,
> ignore the numbers,
> pay attention only to this detail: processors that
> use speculative
> execution don't work on non-cache coherent
> architectures.
>
> Mike Poullas wrote:
> > Oops!
> >
> > Didn't mean to start a flame war but from what I
> am
> > reading is that, as you wrote Kumba, it all
> depends on
> > what model of SGI's you have. Unfortunately my
> Indigo
> > 2 Impact and my soon to arrive 02 will not run
> > since they are IP28 and IP32. Which is fine since
> I
> > prefer to have Irix on those boxes anyhow.
> >
> > I belive that most SGI users would like to have a
> > clean install (or close to it) for gentoo without
> too
> > many headaches, like me.
> > Now if I can only find time to get Gentoo running
> on
> > my Indy's
> >
> > I am at least grateful that there is a distro out
> > there that takes care of us SGI guys.
> >
> > mp
> > --- Kumba <kumba@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >
> >>Mike Poullas wrote:
> >>
> >>>Well, I don't think you will have much luck
> >>
> >>installing
> >>
> >>>Gentoo on your Octane.
> >>>
> >>>After reading various docs, ot looks like the
> only
> >>>stable Gentoo available for SGI's works with
> R4xxx
> >>
> >>or
> >>
> >>>R5000 CPU's. Likely your Octane has an R10000
> >>
> >>which is
> >>
> >>>still an experimental release under Gentoo.
> >>>
> >>>You need to look for an Indy, Indigo, or 02.
> >>>
> >>>I currently own 3 Indy's and 1 Indigo 2. They all
> >>
> >>run
> >>
> >>>on Irix but I will switch one to Gentoo soon.
> >>>
> >>>I think you can buy the IRIX CD's on ebay for
> >>
> >>cheap.
> >>
> >>>Does your octane have a CD-ROM?
> >>>
> >>>mp
> >>
> >>Ahem...
> >>
> >># uname -a
> >>Linux dol-guldur 2.6.12-rc1-mipscvs-20050320 #3
> SMP
> >>Sun Mar 20 20:49:15 EST
> >>2005 mips64 R12000 V2.3 FPU V0.0 SGI Octane
> >>GNU/Linux
> >>
> >>R10K problems exist _only_ on non-coherent cache
> >>systems. This currently
> >>includes IP28 (Indigo2 Impact) and IP32 (O2). All
> >>other R10K-based systems
> >>basically include IP27 (Origin) and IP30 (Octane),
> >>and do not suffer from the
> >>speculative execution "feature" of the R10K
> >>processor. R12K and friends are
> >>simply children of the R10K family tree.
> >>
> >>Thus, Octane works, and works quite well. I'm
> >>currently testing 2.6.11
> >>headers against a 2.6.12-rc1 kernel with
> >>experimental SMP support (Thanks to
> >>the work done by Stan). This will all appear in
> >>Portage shortly.
> >>
> >>You are correct in that it is all experimental,
> >>which means Octane owners are
> >>kinda forced to run ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~mips" for
> now.
> >> Barring that, things
> >>usually work quite well.
> >>
> >>Check the new MIPS handbook on the main gentoo.org
> >>site for the mips hardware
> >>requirements page, which having been redone by
> >>Redhatter, explains in great
> >>detail the stable/experimental machines we
> support.
> >>
> >>
> >>--Kumba
> >>
> >>--
> >>"Such is oft the course of deeds that move the
> >>wheels of the world: small
> >>hands do them because they must, while the eyes of
> >>the great are elsewhere."
> >>--Elrond
> >>
> >>--
> >>gentoo-mips@gentoo.org mailing list
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Mike Poullas
> > 656 rue Pierre
> > Laval, Qc., H7X 3T1
> > (450) 969-4642
> > E-mail: mikepoullas@yahoo.com
> > Web Page: http://www.geocities.com/mikepoullas/
> >
> >
>
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web site. Either way, I can see now why other distro's
want nothing to do with SGI. These configurations are
insane!
mp
--- "Christopher G. Stach II" <cgs@ldsys.net> wrote:
> There you go again, mixing things up! :) IP32
> doesn't mean a whole
> lot, because it can be either R5000 (works),
> RM[57]xxx (works enough),
> or R10000 (doesn't work). Then you can have IP27
> with R10000 (works),
> or IP28 with R10000 (doesn't work). As Kumba said,
> ignore the numbers,
> pay attention only to this detail: processors that
> use speculative
> execution don't work on non-cache coherent
> architectures.
>
> Mike Poullas wrote:
> > Oops!
> >
> > Didn't mean to start a flame war but from what I
> am
> > reading is that, as you wrote Kumba, it all
> depends on
> > what model of SGI's you have. Unfortunately my
> Indigo
> > 2 Impact and my soon to arrive 02 will not run
> > since they are IP28 and IP32. Which is fine since
> I
> > prefer to have Irix on those boxes anyhow.
> >
> > I belive that most SGI users would like to have a
> > clean install (or close to it) for gentoo without
> too
> > many headaches, like me.
> > Now if I can only find time to get Gentoo running
> on
> > my Indy's
> >
> > I am at least grateful that there is a distro out
> > there that takes care of us SGI guys.
> >
> > mp
> > --- Kumba <kumba@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >
> >>Mike Poullas wrote:
> >>
> >>>Well, I don't think you will have much luck
> >>
> >>installing
> >>
> >>>Gentoo on your Octane.
> >>>
> >>>After reading various docs, ot looks like the
> only
> >>>stable Gentoo available for SGI's works with
> R4xxx
> >>
> >>or
> >>
> >>>R5000 CPU's. Likely your Octane has an R10000
> >>
> >>which is
> >>
> >>>still an experimental release under Gentoo.
> >>>
> >>>You need to look for an Indy, Indigo, or 02.
> >>>
> >>>I currently own 3 Indy's and 1 Indigo 2. They all
> >>
> >>run
> >>
> >>>on Irix but I will switch one to Gentoo soon.
> >>>
> >>>I think you can buy the IRIX CD's on ebay for
> >>
> >>cheap.
> >>
> >>>Does your octane have a CD-ROM?
> >>>
> >>>mp
> >>
> >>Ahem...
> >>
> >># uname -a
> >>Linux dol-guldur 2.6.12-rc1-mipscvs-20050320 #3
> SMP
> >>Sun Mar 20 20:49:15 EST
> >>2005 mips64 R12000 V2.3 FPU V0.0 SGI Octane
> >>GNU/Linux
> >>
> >>R10K problems exist _only_ on non-coherent cache
> >>systems. This currently
> >>includes IP28 (Indigo2 Impact) and IP32 (O2). All
> >>other R10K-based systems
> >>basically include IP27 (Origin) and IP30 (Octane),
> >>and do not suffer from the
> >>speculative execution "feature" of the R10K
> >>processor. R12K and friends are
> >>simply children of the R10K family tree.
> >>
> >>Thus, Octane works, and works quite well. I'm
> >>currently testing 2.6.11
> >>headers against a 2.6.12-rc1 kernel with
> >>experimental SMP support (Thanks to
> >>the work done by Stan). This will all appear in
> >>Portage shortly.
> >>
> >>You are correct in that it is all experimental,
> >>which means Octane owners are
> >>kinda forced to run ACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~mips" for
> now.
> >> Barring that, things
> >>usually work quite well.
> >>
> >>Check the new MIPS handbook on the main gentoo.org
> >>site for the mips hardware
> >>requirements page, which having been redone by
> >>Redhatter, explains in great
> >>detail the stable/experimental machines we
> support.
> >>
> >>
> >>--Kumba
> >>
> >>--
> >>"Such is oft the course of deeds that move the
> >>wheels of the world: small
> >>hands do them because they must, while the eyes of
> >>the great are elsewhere."
> >>--Elrond
> >>
> >>--
> >>gentoo-mips@gentoo.org mailing list
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Mike Poullas
> > 656 rue Pierre
> > Laval, Qc., H7X 3T1
> > (450) 969-4642
> > E-mail: mikepoullas@yahoo.com
> > Web Page: http://www.geocities.com/mikepoullas/
> >
> >
>
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