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On Mon, 2007-07-23 at 17:38 -0700, Christina Fullam wrote:
> Just a reminder about nominations and voting...
> If anyone is still interested in running, you have one week left for
> nominations.
> Most who have accepted havent told us why we should vote for them. While
> that information is not required perhaps it should be if we are to make
> intelligent votes - sorry this isnt a popularity contest so give us some
> content to review.

I've been nominated, and I've accepted (after bribery of beer :P). I'm
also a current Council member.

I'm not going to tell you why you should vote for me, as I'm not a
politician.
I'm not going to tell you what I'm going to do if I was voted back in
because I don't have a game plan as such.

And when it comes right down to it, it *is* a popularity contest. Or
rather who would you trust the most to make decisions you agree with. So
you're really voting for someone like-minded and is probably more
eloquent and vocal than yourself.

I've said my piece. You'll vote for me if you agree with my technical
decisions and you find yourself siding with me (even mentally) in the
few discussions I take part in on -dev and #-dev.

Thanks

Roy

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Hello Roy!

> I've said my piece. You'll vote for me if you agree with my technical
> decisions and you find yourself siding with me (even mentally) in the
> few discussions I take part in on -dev and #-dev.

I can't say much about your technical decisions because I haven't
consciously seen any, I rarely see you take part in any discussions.

So your refusal to say anything about what you have in mind is rather
problematic to me and probably others.

On this basis, I can't and won't vote for you.

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Best but rather irritated regards, Wulf

NB: Why should I vote for someone who doesn't even know *himself* why
he wants to be on the council and who's motivation was a free beer?

On Tue, 2007-07-24 at 14:25 +0200, Wulf C. Krueger wrote:
> I can't say much about your technical decisions because I haven't
> consciously seen any, I rarely see you take part in any discussions.

Maybe that's because -dev wasn't a forum for technical discussion.
Hopefully that might change.

> So your refusal to say anything about what you have in mind is rather
> problematic to me and probably others.

What did you want me to say?
I don't have anything planned beyond what I already do (which is
baselayout, some base system foo, dhcpcd, Gentoo/FreeBSD on x86 and
sparc)

Or should I make up some crap just to get votes? Sorry, won't do that.

I *will* say that I will continue to work on what I'm doing to make
Gentoo a better place.

> On this basis, I can't and won't vote for you.

That's your prerogative.
You do know that we use a Condorcet voting system which means you rank
candidates instead of voting for them?

Thanks

Roy

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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 14:25:56 +0200
"Wulf C. Krueger" <philantrop@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > I've said my piece. You'll vote for me if you agree with my
> > technical decisions and you find yourself siding with me (even
> > mentally) in the few discussions I take part in on -dev and #-dev.
>
> I can't say much about your technical decisions because I haven't
> consciously seen any, I rarely see you take part in any discussions.
>
> So your refusal to say anything about what you have in mind is
> rather problematic to me and probably others.
>
> On this basis, I can't and won't vote for you.

If you've not been paying attention to what Roy's been doing whilst on
the Council, perhaps you shouldn't be voting at all...

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Ciaran McCreesh

Yesterday night I tried to reply but I was too tired...

Christina Fullam wrote:
> Just a reminder about nominations and voting...
> If anyone is still interested in running, you have one week left for
> nominations.
> Most who have accepted havent told us why we should vote for them. While
> that information is not required perhaps it should be if we are to make
> intelligent votes - sorry this isnt a popularity contest so give us some
> content to review.

Ok

>
> 1) What you will do

Probably I'll try my best to make sure what is decided in the council
will end up with something implemented, hopefully in a timely fashion,
no matter how unpopular may be perceived.
E.g.: push for getting an EAPI 1.1 with some nice stuff, like the IUSE
defaults, out asap and use them on the tree.

> 2) Why you will do it

Because I like to help and maybe I still have some sanity to invest into
this project

> 3) How you will do it

Basically trying to be balanced and to keep things on the technical
field. I like to offer alternative solutions but usually I try to pick
the best one (possibly not what I proposed, I'm an fan of the antiNIH
movement)

> 4) What is the timescale for doing it

"This is an opensource project, we deliver things when we feel it is
ready". I'll try my best to keep things going smoothly and that also
includes suggesting/changing leads in subprojects or have parallel
subprojects spawned to let people willing to do have their share of fun.

> 5) What experience do you have with this or a similar role

Messed with politics in my University, I'm a member of different
associations of different sizes with deciding roles of various degree

> 6) Why do you think you are qualified

Usually I try to get along with everybody and I try to let people know
when I'm biased towards something (being unbiased is too hard)

> 7) How you plan to balance a council role with your current Gentoo role

There aren't conflicts so far for my gentoo role and my outside roles
(e.g. me being an ffmpeg/mplayer developer)

> 8) How much time can you dedicate to the council role

Enough to be present, not enough to be annoying (hopefully)

Feel free to ping me on irc if you have questions ^^

lu

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Luca Barbato

Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC
http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

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On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:38:16 -0700
Christina Fullam <musikc@gentoo.org> wrote:

Although I've mentioned quite a bit, I feel that some of these
questions still need addressing... This lot can probably be added to
my candidate info stuffs/platform thingie on the site...

[..snip..]
> 1) What you will do
> 2) Why you will do it
> 3) How you will do it
Black magik. Encouragement of ideas such as project updates, at least
some support and/or contributions to those who work on other
Gentoo-based distros, taking their ideas and contributions into the
tree, etc, etc. One possible idea would be to encourage people to use
one channel for primary communications, currently, many people make
decisions (in private?) on IRC, then "forget" to tell everyone else
about the decision... If we were all encouraged to make decisions on
relevant email aliases, on the right mailing list, etc, etc, there
would be less people missing out. The -project, -dev-announce and -dev
setup we've got at the moment seems to be a start in the right
direction from what I can see so far. It does require more time to wear
in before it can really be seen as a success or a failure.
> 4) What is the timescale for doing it
This depends on who is involved with the efforts, who agrees, who wants
to bring up (potentially) silly arguments, etc, etc. It's not really
possible to set a deadline for something when you don't know who you
will be working with.
> 5) What experience do you have with this or a similar role
I'm the lead of the Gentoo/*BSD team, the Gentoo/Alt ATs and the Bugday
team. The latter two teams do require quite a bit of user interaction,
which could be useful for the implementation of some of my ideas.
> 6) Why do you think you are qualified
Hrm, how different is this question to the question above? Meh. Well, I
suppose I am quite vocal - I speak to people a lot. I'm involved with a
local LUG. See answer to question above...
> 7) How you plan to balance a council role with your current Gentoo
> role
Council will take precedence over most/all of my other roles. I will
probably also be dropping out of some of the teams/projects where I
have been relatively inactive.
> 8) How much time can you dedicate to the council role
Hmm. Well, around 7.5hrs a day if needs be. I should be able to pull
out more hours from the hat, dependant on my school timetable for the
next academic year.
[..snip..]

On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 17:38:16 -0700
Christina Fullam <musikc@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 1) What you will do
> 2) Why you will do it
> 3) How you will do it
> 4) What is the timescale for doing it
> 5) What experience do you have with this or a similar role
> 6) Why do you think you are qualified
> 7) How you plan to balance a council role with your current Gentoo
> role 8) How much time can you dedicate to the council role

After much thought and many encouraging words from other developers,
I've decided to accept the nomination for the council.

I wrote about some of my goals recently on my blog [1]. My primary
focus is to make Gentoo a better tool. They are all reasonable goals
that should be doable over the course of the next year.

Also, I want to join the council to ensure that Gentoo's long-term
values are upheld. Since I joined Gentoo four years ago, I've become
one of our senior developers. That's given me a strong understanding of
our core philosophies. It's crucial for our council to maintain our
philosophies through its actions, so the council should be composed of
people who understand what Gentoo really means.

I've held a number of leadership roles within Gentoo, including X team
lead, clustering project lead and desktop manager. I spent quite a
while on devrel as a recruiter, which helped me learn about mentoring
new developers and dealing with difficult old ones. I try to be a voice
of reason on the mailing lists, and I care deeply about building the
strength of our community, both of which I've worked on over my time as
a developer.

Many of our current council members who chose to decline their
nominations mentioned that dealing with difficult people was what
determined their choice. One of my strengths is remaining calm under
pressure, so I can deal with this.

A year ago, I declined nominations for both the council and the board of
trustees. This year gave me time to consider what I really care about in
Gentoo. The conclusion I came to is that what I care about most is our
community and making Gentoo a better tool, both of which I can better
accomplish by joining the council.

Although I do have a number of projects [2] in the works, they've been
on the back burner for a while and I'm content to let them stay there
while I work on my true priorities in Gentoo. The X work has gotten a
lot easier since we got to a smooth, fully modular setup. I'd like to
get another recruit to help with bugs now that Josh retired, but it's
not so time-consuming that I don't have time for the council.

Thanks,
Donnie

1. http://spyderous.livejournal.com/91151.html
2. http://dev.gentoo.org/~dberkholz/proj/

> Those who have accepted though havent sent information regarding why we
> should vote for them:

Since it's almost time to vote, here's a collection of my thoughts
about the council:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~amne/stuff/councilnomination.txt

If something is unclear or you have further questions, feel free to
ask.

cheers,
Wernfried

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forum-mods (at) gentoo.org
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Heya,

Christina Fullam write:
> Most who have accepted havent told us why we should vote for them. While
> that information is not required perhaps it should be if we are to make
> intelligent votes - sorry this isnt a popularity contest so give us some
> content to review.

I put my little manifesto up here:
http://www.scherbaum.info/~tobias/manifesto

Tobias

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Gentoo Linux - Die Metadistribution
http://www.mitp.de/1769

Christina Fullam schrieb:
> Just a reminder about nominations and voting...
> If anyone is still interested in running, you have one week left for
> nominations.
> Most who have accepted havent told us why we should vote for them. While
> that information is not required perhaps it should be if we are to make
> intelligent votes - sorry this isnt a popularity contest so give us some
> content to review.

Agreeing with previous posters to this thread here, it is a bit of
popularity contest ;)

> 1) What you will do
> 2) Why you will do it

While being all for finally documented EAPI stuff (we really need use
and slot deps), I also want to keep an eye on user involvement. After
all I wouldn't be a dev myself if some other dev would have been willing
to help me with this stuff.

I think we have quite a bunch of powerusers who either hide a bit in the
corner or hit some devs they can't work along with. Actually makes me
sad when I see such stuff when userrel@ gets involved.

Besides that, some Distributions that base their work on gentoo already
have hit some technical issues with the system they want to work around
(There will be a binary merger some time soonish)... We should see if we
can pick up some stuff from the communities that are even not directly
gentoo related to see if we can merge work instead of duplicating it.
I second a recent planet post about NotInventedHere problems sometimes.

That should bring us back on track and at the technical top of
(meta)distributions :)

> 3) How you will do it

For the technical part, well, you can't force someone to do things if he
works just for fun. Though I want to get people motivated to work
towards the new features mentioned in previous questions. On many ends
we have proven that we can handle even huge evolutions soonish, so we
should go on with it.

> 4) What is the timescale for doing it

Some of my ideas take some weeks, some may last longer. Depends on
motivation of all involved, though I'm willing to set a point on that.

> 5) What experience do you have with this or a similar role

As being part of userrel, overlays lead and sunrise co-lead I already
have a fair share at users front I think ;)

> 6) Why do you think you are qualified

I'm quite active in the opensource community (member of two LUGs),
gentoo user since 1.4rc days and dev for more than one and a half year
now. I think I know more a bit about how the stuff works around here.

> 7) How you plan to balance a council role with your current Gentoo role

I mentored / co-mentored a good handful of devs who keep up the work
when I'm not in (Uni exams mainly) ;)

> 8) How much time can you dedicate to the council role

Should be something around 1-2 hours a day, sometimes more, sometimes a
bit less. After all I still maintain some mystic thing called real-life
;) Though if you have something important, I am on irc, reachable via
email and if there is really scary stuff going on, some devs have my
cell phone number to send me a text about it.

Greetz
-Jokey