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On Sat, 07 May 2005 22:37:22 +0200 Danny van Dyk <kugelfang@gentoo.org>
wrote:
| During the last few months, ciaranm, ka0ttic, slarti and me have been
| working on "eclectic" [1], a modular administration and configuration
| framework for Gentoo. Eclectic is completely written in bash and
| unifies different tasks in one tool with a consistent user interfaces.

Might as well post a sample module... This one's the kernel symlink
manager thingie, which I wrote mainly as a test / demo thing but it can
be vaguely useful too:

http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/*checkout*/eclectic/trunk/modules/kernel.eclectic

Note the ebuild-like format that should be nice and easy for everyone to
get their heads around.

So what's this like from a user perspective?

ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.30 $ eclectic kernel
Usage: eclectic kernel <action> <options>

Standard actions:
help Display help text
usage Display usage information
version Display version information

Extra actions:
list List available kernel symlink targets
set Set a new kernel symlink target
show Show the current kernel symlink

ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.30 $ eclectic kernel show
Current kernel symlink:
linux-2.6.12-rc1
ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.10 $ eclectic kernel list
Available kernel symlink targets:
[1] linux-2.6.10
[2] linux-2.6.11
[3] linux-2.6.11-rc5
[4] linux-2.6.12-rc1
ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.01 $ sudo eclectic kernel set 1
ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.01 $ eclectic kernel show
Current kernel symlink:
linux-2.6.10

It's all in colour, of course.

But wait, it gets sneakier. Say we install a kernel-config symlink to
eclectic. Then this will also work:

ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 1.50 $ kernel-config list
Available kernel symlink targets:
[1] linux-2.6.10
[2] linux-2.6.11
[3] linux-2.6.11-rc5
[4] linux-2.6.12-rc1

I added this sneaky little hack in that checks the binary name, and if
it's foo-config or foo-update, it treats it as eclectic foo [...]. So
you don't even get to whine about the stupid name :)

By the way, this could also implement GLEP 24 (consistent tool naming).
See, if you run eclectic with no arguments:

ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 1.36 $ eclectic
Usage: eclectic <module name> <options>

Built-in modules:
help Display a help message
list-modules Find and display available modules
usage Display a usage message
version Display version information

Extra modules:
bashcomp Manage contributed bash-completion scripts
blas Manage installed BLAS implementations.
kernel Manage the /usr/src/linux symlink
lapack Manage installed LAPACK implementations.
mailer Manage the mailwrapper profiles in /etc/mail
profile Manage the /etc/make.profile symlink

Automagically generated list of all the modules available.

*shrug* it's probably full of bugs still.

| There is a both a developer guide and a user guide as RST shipped with
| the source.

Rendered versions here for the lazy:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm/tmp/eclectic/

| * What do we need to accomplish to get the status of an "Official
| Gentoo Project" ? Is a manager voting necessary ?

I'm staying out of this one...

Oh, we have an IRC channel if you have development questions. You can
figure out the name easily enough :)

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Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm

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Very cool. Good work gentlemen.

On May 7, 2005, at 4:37 PM, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:

> On Sat, 07 May 2005 22:37:22 +0200 Danny van Dyk <kugelfang@gentoo.org>
> wrote:
> | During the last few months, ciaranm, ka0ttic, slarti and me have been
> | working on "eclectic" [1], a modular administration and configuration
> | framework for Gentoo. Eclectic is completely written in bash and
> | unifies different tasks in one tool with a consistent user
> interfaces.
>
> Might as well post a sample module... This one's the kernel symlink
> manager thingie, which I wrote mainly as a test / demo thing but it can
> be vaguely useful too:
>
> http://svn.berlios.de/viewcvs/*checkout*/eclectic/trunk/modules/
> kernel.eclectic
>
> Note the ebuild-like format that should be nice and easy for everyone
> to
> get their heads around.
>
> So what's this like from a user perspective?
>
> ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.30 $ eclectic kernel
> Usage: eclectic kernel <action> <options>
>
> Standard actions:
> help Display help text
> usage Display usage information
> version Display version information
>
> Extra actions:
> list List available kernel symlink targets
> set Set a new kernel symlink target
> show Show the current kernel symlink
>
> ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.30 $ eclectic kernel show
> Current kernel symlink:
> linux-2.6.12-rc1
> ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.10 $ eclectic kernel list
> Available kernel symlink targets:
> [1] linux-2.6.10
> [2] linux-2.6.11
> [3] linux-2.6.11-rc5
> [4] linux-2.6.12-rc1
> ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.01 $ sudo eclectic kernel set 1
> ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 2.01 $ eclectic kernel show
> Current kernel symlink:
> linux-2.6.10
>
> It's all in colour, of course.
>
> But wait, it gets sneakier. Say we install a kernel-config symlink to
> eclectic. Then this will also work:
>
> ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 1.50 $ kernel-config list
> Available kernel symlink targets:
> [1] linux-2.6.10
> [2] linux-2.6.11
> [3] linux-2.6.11-rc5
> [4] linux-2.6.12-rc1
>
> I added this sneaky little hack in that checks the binary name, and if
> it's foo-config or foo-update, it treats it as eclectic foo [...]. So
> you don't even get to whine about the stupid name :)
>
> By the way, this could also implement GLEP 24 (consistent tool naming).
> See, if you run eclectic with no arguments:
>
> ciaranm@snowdrop ~ 0 1.36 $ eclectic
> Usage: eclectic <module name> <options>
>
> Built-in modules:
> help Display a help message
> list-modules Find and display available modules
> usage Display a usage message
> version Display version information
>
> Extra modules:
> bashcomp Manage contributed bash-completion scripts
> blas Manage installed BLAS implementations.
> kernel Manage the /usr/src/linux symlink
> lapack Manage installed LAPACK implementations.
> mailer Manage the mailwrapper profiles in
> /etc/mail
> profile Manage the /etc/make.profile symlink
>
> Automagically generated list of all the modules available.
>
> *shrug* it's probably full of bugs still.
>
> | There is a both a developer guide and a user guide as RST shipped
> with
> | the source.
>
> Rendered versions here for the lazy:
>
> http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm/tmp/eclectic/
>
> | * What do we need to accomplish to get the status of an "Official
> | Gentoo Project" ? Is a manager voting necessary ?
>
> I'm staying out of this one...
>
> Oh, we have an IRC channel if you have development questions. You can
> figure out the name easily enough :)
>
> --
> Ciaran McCreesh : Gentoo Developer (Vim, Shell tools, Fluxbox, Cron)
> Mail : ciaranm at gentoo.org
> Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm
>
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Danny van Dyk wrote:

> * What is the best place for eclectic in the portage tree? app-admin as
> it is an administrative tool? Or rather app-portage as it should be
> used together with Gentoo only?

0.9.1 is in CVS as app-admin/eclectic.

Cheers
- --
Work is the crab grass in the lawn of life.
-- Schulz

Aaron Walker <ka0ttic@gentoo.org>
[. BSD | cron | forensics | shell-tools | commonbox | netmon | vim | web-apps ]
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On Sat, 07 May 2005 22:37:22 +0200 Danny van Dyk <kugelfang@gentoo.org>
wrote:
| Work on further modules is in progress like:

I just wrote an etc-update workalike as an eclectic module. Mostly as an
experiment to see how we're going to handle interactive stuff... Sample
session at:

http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm/tmp/eclectic/config-tool.shtml

If you want to play, grab the latest SVN. Usual disclaimer about this
thing being chock full of bugs and merely a proof of concept applies.

No doubt we'll find some practical uses for this thing at some point :)

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Mail : ciaranm at gentoo.org
Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm

Danny van Dyk wrote:
> * profile:
> List and switch Gentoo portage profiles. Check if selected
> profile is valid in regard to used "ARCH".

Hmm, have to check this out and see if I can obsolete my own little hack
for changing profile.

> * What do we need to accomplish to get the status of an "Official
> Gentoo Project" ? Is a manager voting necessary ?

Just put it as a subproject under base as it doesn't have the substance
for a TLP, and I don't think azarah would mind it ;)

> * What do the maintainers of Gentoo's various -config and -update
> scripts think about converting their scripts into eclectic modules ?

Neither etc-update nor env-update fall into this domain.

> * What is the best place for eclectic in the portage tree? app-admin as
> it is an administrative tool? Or rather app-portage as it should be
> used together with Gentoo only?

Keep it in app-admin as it isn't really portage related.

Nice to finally see this becoming public.

Marius
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On Mon, 09 May 2005 04:00:08 +0300 Marius Mauch <genone@gentoo.org>
wrote:
| > * What do the maintainers of Gentoo's various -config and -update
| > scripts think about converting their scripts into eclectic
| > modules ?
|
| Neither etc-update nor env-update fall into this domain.

Heh, although I've already reimplemented etc-update as an eclectic
module just for the hell of it. Blame Jason for asking me about
interactive tools.

| Nice to finally see this becoming public.

Yeah, can't keep the cool toys hidden forever I guess :(

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Mail : ciaranm at gentoo.org
Web : http://dev.gentoo.org/~ciaranm

On Monday 09 May 2005 03:00, Marius Mauch wrote:
>
> Just put it as a subproject under base as it doesn't have the substance
> for a TLP, and I don't think azarah would mind it ;)

It should be under the tools project. This is clearly a tool.

Paul

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Homepage: http://www.devrieze.net