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I sent in a msg last week re failure of kdelibs-3.5.10-r6 to compile.
Sadly, no-one has responded.

No complaint to anyone, but is the Kde-Sunset overlay still supported ?
If no-one remains interested in it, I can drop it & move on ;
if someone who knows re it is still around, can they advise ?
Without Kdelibs KDE is unusable.

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2012/10/29 Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net>

> I sent in a msg last week re failure of kdelibs-3.5.10-r6 to compile.
> Sadly, no-one has responded.
>
> No complaint to anyone, but is the Kde-Sunset overlay still supported ?
> If no-one remains interested in it, I can drop it & move on ;
> if someone who knows re it is still around, can they advise ?
> Without Kdelibs KDE is unusable.
>

AFAIR kdelibs fails to compile with avahi use since the creation of the
kde-sunset overlay...

I'm not a gentoo developer or a kde-sunset maintainer so i can't speak from
their names... but I consider kde-sunset is broken and I'm not sure if it
will be fixed some time...
It really needs a lot of fixes to make it work and compile normally with
modern libs. and I see no enthusiasm among it's maintainers...
I'm currently using an old build of kde-3.5 but it seems my system is
turning to dump with each update because I believe if I'll run an emerge
--depclean next time I won't be able to rebuild most of needed stuff ...
Currently I'm trying to make an overlay for the trinity project (a kde3.5
fork) but it's still quite crappy and not ready to be announced to the wide
public...

Philip Webb posted on Sun, 28 Oct 2012 19:55:33 -0400 as excerpted:

> I sent in a msg last week re failure of kdelibs-3.5.10-r6 to compile.
> Sadly, no-one has responded.
>
> No complaint to anyone, but is the Kde-Sunset overlay still supported ?
> If no-one remains interested in it, I can drop it & move on ;
> if someone who knows re it is still around, can they advise ?
> Without Kdelibs KDE is unusable.

It would be nice if a gentoo dev would take up trinity and get it in the
tree, or at least in kde sunset. But I've seen nary a hint of that.

I won't try to get anyone off of kde-sunset as I respect the reasons they
are still on it. However, if someone is ready to give up on it and move
on, I do know a couple of alternatives I can suggest, and offer my help
as I can.


Here, I'm running kde4, but with USE=-semantic-desktop, and a bunch of
other related flags (virtuoso, rasqual, redland...) turned off. It does
mean avoiding anything kdepim related, including kmail, since that brings
in akonadi, which ultimately forces semantic-desktop back on, but there
are alternatives to kmail. Here, I'm running (gtk-based) claws-mail for
both mail and feeds (replacing akregator). For those running kde3's
amorok, clemintine is the alternative, tho I switched to something much
different, mpd with various frontends, here. Even with multiple
frontends, mpd's still way lighter on resources. But it doesn't have the
nice database setup of amarok/clemintine. I didn't need or use that
anyway, so I was fine with mpd, but many will need it and for them
clemintine is the better choice.

I had switched to kde4 long before I turned off semantic-desktop, etc, so
I can't give a direct comparison of kde3 to kde4 without semantic-
desktop. What I CAN say, however, is that turning off semantic-desktop
at build-time made kde4 enough faster it was like an MS platform person
discovering how many resources the malware had been taking.
Additionally, while I had stated that kde4 finally matured enough to
replace kde 3.5.10 with 4.5.4+, and that 4.5 was what really /should/
have been numbered 4.0, only after I turned off semantic desktop
(basically, at my 4.6 to 4.7 upgrade), was I ready to say that kde4 had
now not only /matched/ kde3 for me (that was with 4.5), but with semantic-
desktop turned off, it now /exceeded/ kde 3.5.10 for me.

It should thus be obvious that I'm quite happy with (now) kde 4.9, AS
LONG AS USE=-semantic-desktop. I'd be interested in someone that has
stayed with kde3 via kde-sunset, now trying kde4, with semantic-desktop
turned off, to see what their real opinion is. And, I can help with it,
providing hints, etc, if/when needed. Either here or on the kde-linux or
kde-general lists.


The other alternative I've seen reviewed is the qt4 based razorqt
desktop. This would most obviously and directly replace the plasma-
desktop component of kde4, altho the reviews I've seen have been on using
razorqt on its own. On its own, it looks to be a qt-based desktop
comparable to one of the light gtk-based desktops such as lxde or xfce.

IMO, running a razorqt desktop with individual kde4 apps should be a good
mix. Were I doing it I'd probably try for what amounted to a kde4
desktop with plasma-desktop replaced with razorqt, as kde4 is
componentized enough that should work, in theory anyway. However, I've
not seen any reviews of anyone trying to pull that off, nor have I
actually tried it myself as I'm actually quite happy with plasma-desktop
now that it has had some time to mature.

Again, I'd be quite interested in seeing someone now on kde-sunset try
razorqt, presumably with a few individual kde4 apps. Again, I'd help
them where I could, but obviously since I've not tried razorqt myself,
I'd be limited to helping more on the kde4 side.

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121029 Fat-Zer wrote:
> 2012/10/29 Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net>
>> I sent in a msg last week re failure of kdelibs-3.5.10-r6 to compile.
>> Sadly, no-one has responded.
>> No complaint to anyone, but is the Kde-Sunset overlay still supported ?
>> If no-one remains interested in it, I can drop it & move on ;
>> if someone who knows re it is still around, can they advise ?
>> Without Kdelibs KDE is unusable.
> AFAIR kdelibs fails to compile with avahi use
> since the creation of the kde-sunset overlay...
> I'm not a gentoo developer or a kde-sunset maintainer
> so i can't speak from their names, but I consider kde-sunset is broken
> and I'm not sure if it will be fixed some time.
> It really needs a lot of fixes to make it work and compile normally
> with modern libs and I see no enthusiasm among it's maintainers.
> I'm currently using an old build of kde-3.5
> but it seems my system is turning to dump with each update
> because I believe if I'll run an emerge --depclean
> next time I won't be able to rebuild most of needed stuff.
> Currently I'm trying to make an overlay for the Trinity project
> but it's still quite crappy and not ready to be announced to the public.

Thanks for the reply ! -- I just want to go on using 2 apps
-- Kmahjongg, which lacks a removed-tiles display in KDE 4 ,
& Kworldclock, which is useful for quickly finding local times, --
& had them working on my older machine, which I moved out of September.
The real solution for me is to get KDE to add these features to 4.x.x
with the latter added to the new Marble app: I sent in bugs long ago
& plan to resubmit them & see if such prods produce results.

I have subscribed to the Trinity mailing-lists,
but they are obviously very short-handed & unlikely to support Gentoo;
it mb possible to compile the essentials from source into /opt/trinity/ .
Please feel enouraged to get Trinity working here (big smile):
there are clearly some people who want to go on using a version of KDE 3 ,
tho' I'm happily at home these days generally with Fluxbox + KDE 4 apps.

Anyone else have comments ?

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On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 00:45:46 -0400
Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:

> I have subscribed to the Trinity mailing-lists,
> but they are obviously very short-handed & unlikely to support Gentoo;
> it mb possible to compile the essentials from source into /opt/trinity/ .
> Please feel enouraged to get Trinity working here (big smile):
> there are clearly some people who want to go on using a version of KDE 3 ,
> tho' I'm happily at home these days generally with Fluxbox + KDE 4 apps.

There are ebuilds for Trinity 3.5.13 covering the equivalent of kde-base
+ deps and a few other packages--see
http://wiki.hasnoname.de/doku.php/tde:trinity-overlay_on_funtoo_gentoo .
Haven't managed to get them updated for 3.5.13.1 yet because I got hit
with a new job a few months ago and I haven't heard recently from the
other person who was working on this.

Not to put too fine a point on it, we need help.

> Anyone else have comments ?

Your real problem was that you were trying to emerge kdelibs-3.5.10-*r6*,
rather than 3.5.10-r10, which has a patch for openssl > 1.0.0 and compiled
just fine for me as of Thursday.

2012/10/29 E. Liddell <ejlddll@googlemail.com>

> On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 00:45:46 -0400
> Philip Webb <purslow@ca.inter.net> wrote:
>
> > I have subscribed to the Trinity mailing-lists,
> > but they are obviously very short-handed & unlikely to support Gentoo;
> > it mb possible to compile the essentials from source into /opt/trinity/
> .
> > Please feel enouraged to get Trinity working here (big smile):
> > there are clearly some people who want to go on using a version of KDE 3
> ,
> > tho' I'm happily at home these days generally with Fluxbox + KDE 4 apps.
>
> There are ebuilds for Trinity 3.5.13 covering the equivalent of kde-base
> + deps and a few other packages--see
> http://wiki.hasnoname.de/doku.php/tde:trinity-overlay_on_funtoo_gentoo .
> Haven't managed to get them updated for 3.5.13.1 yet because I got hit
> with a new job a few months ago and I haven't heard recently from the
> other person who was working on this.
>
> Not to put too fine a point on it, we need help.
>
I've started a year ago with live ebuilds but after migration to
git/renaming/3.5.13 release, I gave up with that... a week ago I've started
it again.
I've known two or three persons who was doing the same job about a year
ago... but they all stucked...

Here is my small repository: git://github.com/Fat-Zer/trinity.git
Now there is only 3.5.13.1 kdebase&kdeartwork-derived stuff... Now I'm
starting to package kdegraphics.
There is also a bunch of live ebuilds but it seems they got broken tdeinit
and some other errors.
All base eclases are rewritten so ebuilds become quite easy in management.
I believe that in 3-4 weeks I'll finish packaging all modules ported to
cmake.

Your real problem was that you were trying to emerge kdelibs-3.5.10-*r6*,
> rather than 3.5.10-r10, which has a patch for openssl > 1.0.0 and compiled
> just fine for me as of Thursday.
>
> The truth is yours... it compiles. I've needed only a small fix because
of gcc-4.6 stronger inclde check[or because of something else]. patch
attached.
But there are some other broken packages like gwenview (fails to compile
with new libpng), konversation (don't remembre why) etc...

Hi

Could you add repo_name to your repository? :)
Paludis warns if non-existant.

And yes, thanks for the effort.
I'll try building kde* under gcc-4.6 from your overlay.

2012/10/29 Fat-Zer <fatzer2@gmail.com>:

> Here is my small repository: git://github.com/Fat-Zer/trinity.git

BR,
Denis