On 20 September 2011 23:03, <gentoo-desktop+help@lists.gentoo.org> wrote:
> Topics (messages 1986 through 1994):
>
> [gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.
> 1986 - Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>
>
> [gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.
> 1987 - Sebastian Beßler <sebastian@darkmetatron.de>
>
> [gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.
> 1988 - Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org>
>
> [gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.
> 1989 - Micha³ Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org>
>
> [gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.
> 1990 - Sebastian Beßler <sebastian@darkmetatron.de>
>
> [gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.
> 1991 - Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org>
>
> [gentoo-desktop] kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.10-r1 and hal USE flag
> 1992 - Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org>
>
> [gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.
> 1993 - Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>
>
> [gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.
> 1994 - Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> I am still working on a stable install of KDE3 for a friend. Thing is,
> some KDE4 stuff keeps getting pulled in. This is the list as best as I can
> tell with my command:
>
> kde-base/khelpcenter-4.7.1
> kde-base/kdesu-4.7.1
> kde-base/nepomuk-4.7.1
> kde-base/kdelibs-4.7.1
> kde-base/kde-env-4.7.1
>
> I suspect this is a USE flag problem but I can't figure it out for the life
> of me. Here is the USE line from emerge --info:
>
> USE="3dnow 3dnowext X aac acpi alsa aml apng auto-hinter automount avahi
> bash-completion berkdb bzip2 cairo cdda cddb cdr chroot cleartype cli
> clucene consolekit corefonts cracklib cups curl cxx dbus declarative dri dvd
> dvdr emboss encode escreen esd exif fam fdftk ffmpeg firefox flac fortran
> gdbm gdu gif gimp gkrellm gnutls gphoto2 gpm gtk hbci hddtemp iconv ipv6
> java javascript jbig jpeg jpeg2k justify kde kipi lcms libnotify libwww
> logrotate loop-aes mad mdnsresponder-compat melt mmx mng modules mp3 mp4
> mpeg mplayer mudflap mysql ncurses nls nptl nptlonly nsplugin offensive ofx
> ogg opengl openmp pam pango parport pcre pdf perl phonon plasma png
> policykit ppds ppp pppd python qt3 qt3support qt4 readline sasl sdl
> seamonkey semantic-desktop session sift smp spell sse ssl
> startup-notification svg sysfs syslog tcl tcpd threads tiff tk truetype
> type1 udev unicode usb vcd vorbis webkit win32codecs wma wmf x264 x86 xcb
> xcomposite xinerama xml xorg xscreensaver xv xvid yahoo zeroconf zlib"
>
> I have policykit disabled in make.conf but it is enabled according to
> emerge --info. Is that the problem? One of them at least? I have tried to
> remove that but they keep getting pulled in. I did get rid of some but
> these last few are hair pullers to get rid of.
>
> Thanks for any tips.
>
> Dale
>
> :-) :-)
>
> Am 18.09.2011 21:39, schrieb Dale:
>
> > Thanks for any tips.
>
> The first I would try is to remove the kde and kipi flags. If that helps
> then set them via package.use for one package at a time so you find
> what pulls kde4.
>
> Greetings
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> Dale writes:
>
> > I am still working on a stable install of KDE3 for a friend.
>
> I gave up on this. I was not able to enable HAL :-)
>
> > Thing is,
> > some KDE4 stuff keeps getting pulled in. This is the list as best as I
> > can tell with my command:
> >
> > kde-base/khelpcenter-4.7.1
> > kde-base/kdesu-4.7.1
> > kde-base/nepomuk-4.7.1
> > kde-base/kdelibs-4.7.1
> > kde-base/kde-env-4.7.1
>
> Use the -t/--tree argument to emerge, this will tell you what is pulling
> them in.
>
> Wonko
>
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:39:12 -0500
> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am still working on a stable install of KDE3 for a friend. Thing
> > is, some KDE4 stuff keeps getting pulled in. This is the list as
> > best as I can tell with my command:
> >
> > kde-base/khelpcenter-4.7.1
> > kde-base/kdesu-4.7.1
> > kde-base/nepomuk-4.7.1
> > kde-base/kdelibs-4.7.1
> > kde-base/kde-env-4.7.1
>
> emerge --depclean -v =kde-base/khelpcenter-4.7.1
>
> should show what keeps it around. And similarly for remaining packages.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Micha³ Górny
>
> Am 18.09.2011 23:23, schrieb Alex Schuster:
> > Dale writes:
> >
> >> I am still working on a stable install of KDE3 for a friend.
> >
> > I gave up on this. I was not able to enable HAL :-)
>
> HAL is just on of many good reasons to avoid KDE3 and use something else
> like e17 or xfce4. If KDE tools are needed then use the ones from KDE4,
> they work flawless with other DE and WM
>
> Greetings
>
> Sebastian Beßler
>
>
>
> Sebastian Beßler writes:
>
> > Am 18.09.2011 23:23, schrieb Alex Schuster:
> > > Dale writes:
> > >
> > >> I am still working on a stable install of KDE3 for a friend.
> > >
> > > I gave up on this. I was not able to enable HAL :-)
> >
> > HAL is just on of many good reasons to avoid KDE3 and use something else
> > like e17 or xfce4. If KDE tools are needed then use the ones from KDE4,
> > they work flawless with other DE and WM
>
> The problem were the kioslaves, without HAL, KDE3 was unable to detect
> and automount external media. I wanted to keep the setup, the PC is
> rather old and slow, but in the end I switched to KDE4. Using Sabayon
> Linux instead of Gentoo, in order to avoid the compiles.
>
> Wonko
>
> Sorry for the looong delay. It's partially because I the system it remote
> and I do not always have access to it, and partially because I nearly
> forgot about this :) Sorry for that.
>
> Long, long ago Tiago Marques wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Brent Busby <brent@keycorner.org>
> > wrote:
> > > On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Alex Schuster wrote:
>
>
> > >
> > > Here's what I've had to do...
> > >
> > > In /etc/portage/package.use.mask:
> > >
> > > kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves -hal
> > > app-cdr/k3b -hal
>
> Here, too.
>
> > > In /etc/portage/package.keywords (because newer masked ebuilds of
> > > these two packages solve some build issues):
> > >
> > > kde-base/kdelibs:3.5 ~amd64
> > > kde-base/kcontrol:3.5 ~amd64
>
> Done (with ~x86 instead).
>
> > > In /etc/portage/package.unmask:
> > >
> > > kde-base/kdelibs:3.5
> > > kde-base/kcontrol:3.5
> >
> > > Hope this helps...
>
> No, it did not help :(
>
> > Install this and all will be ok:
> >
> > kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.10-r1
> > sys-apps/dbus-1.2.24
> > sys-apps/hal-0.5.13-r2
>
> I tried, getting these ooold versions from the attic. But it still
> didn't work out.
>
> But the PC is a rather old one, and so I decided to go away from Gentoo.
> Using distcc helped, but only when I and my fast (well not really, but
> much faster than that old Sempron) PC were there. I decided to try
> Sabayon Linux, which is based on Gentoo, but binary. There is no KDE3,
> though, so I had to install KDE4. Which is somewhat slow, maybe Xfce4 or
> LXDE will be better.
>
> BTW, I'm not too happy with Sabayon either. The equo package manager is
> not as sophisticated as emerge, for example it looks like it is not
> possible to call it when another instance is already running. And I do
> not yet understand how I can mix equo with portage. But I dod not dig
> into this too much, the person using this PC mainly uses KMail, Firefox
> and aMSN, and this is working fine.
>
> Anyway, thanks both of you for your assistance.
>
> Wonk
>
> Micha³ Górny wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:39:12 -0500
>> Dale<rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am still working on a stable install of KDE3 for a friend. Thing
>>> is, some KDE4 stuff keeps getting pulled in. This is the list as
>>> best as I can tell with my command:
>>>
>>> kde-base/khelpcenter-4.7.1
>>> kde-base/kdesu-4.7.1
>>> kde-base/nepomuk-4.7.1
>>> kde-base/kdelibs-4.7.1
>>> kde-base/kde-env-4.7.1
>>>
>> emerge --depclean -v =kde-base/khelpcenter-4.7.1
>>
>> should show what keeps it around. And similarly for remaining packages.
>>
>> Did some of that already, just forgot to mention it. It seems to go into
> circles. I installed KDE4 first then KDE3. I'm thinking about getting rid
> of them both then installing just KDE3. I really think there is some USE
> flag that is doing this.
>
> I did remove the KDE USE flag. It didn't help. I'm going to switch to a
> plain Desktop profile. I think I have it on the KDE profile not that I
> think about it.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dale
>
> :-) :-)
>
> Sebastian Beßler wrote:
>
>> Am 18.09.2011 21:39, schrieb Dale:
>>
>> Thanks for any tips.
>>>
>> The first I would try is to remove the kde and kipi flags. If that helps
>> then set them via package.use for one package at a time so you find
>> what pulls kde4.
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Sebastian
>>
>>
> I set it to a plain desktop profile and that seemed to clean things up
> nicely. Now we cooking with KDE3.
>
> Thanks much. I knew it was something simple that I was missing.
>
> Dale
>
> :-) :-)
>
>
> Topics (messages 1986 through 1994):
>
> [gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.
> 1986 - Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>
>
> [gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.
> 1987 - Sebastian Beßler <sebastian@darkmetatron.de>
>
> [gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.
> 1988 - Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org>
>
> [gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.
> 1989 - Micha³ Górny <mgorny@gentoo.org>
>
> [gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.
> 1990 - Sebastian Beßler <sebastian@darkmetatron.de>
>
> [gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.
> 1991 - Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org>
>
> [gentoo-desktop] kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.10-r1 and hal USE flag
> 1992 - Alex Schuster <wonko@wonkology.org>
>
> [gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.
> 1993 - Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>
>
> [gentoo-desktop] How to get rid of things depending on KDE4.
> 1994 - Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com>
>
>
>
> I am still working on a stable install of KDE3 for a friend. Thing is,
> some KDE4 stuff keeps getting pulled in. This is the list as best as I can
> tell with my command:
>
> kde-base/khelpcenter-4.7.1
> kde-base/kdesu-4.7.1
> kde-base/nepomuk-4.7.1
> kde-base/kdelibs-4.7.1
> kde-base/kde-env-4.7.1
>
> I suspect this is a USE flag problem but I can't figure it out for the life
> of me. Here is the USE line from emerge --info:
>
> USE="3dnow 3dnowext X aac acpi alsa aml apng auto-hinter automount avahi
> bash-completion berkdb bzip2 cairo cdda cddb cdr chroot cleartype cli
> clucene consolekit corefonts cracklib cups curl cxx dbus declarative dri dvd
> dvdr emboss encode escreen esd exif fam fdftk ffmpeg firefox flac fortran
> gdbm gdu gif gimp gkrellm gnutls gphoto2 gpm gtk hbci hddtemp iconv ipv6
> java javascript jbig jpeg jpeg2k justify kde kipi lcms libnotify libwww
> logrotate loop-aes mad mdnsresponder-compat melt mmx mng modules mp3 mp4
> mpeg mplayer mudflap mysql ncurses nls nptl nptlonly nsplugin offensive ofx
> ogg opengl openmp pam pango parport pcre pdf perl phonon plasma png
> policykit ppds ppp pppd python qt3 qt3support qt4 readline sasl sdl
> seamonkey semantic-desktop session sift smp spell sse ssl
> startup-notification svg sysfs syslog tcl tcpd threads tiff tk truetype
> type1 udev unicode usb vcd vorbis webkit win32codecs wma wmf x264 x86 xcb
> xcomposite xinerama xml xorg xscreensaver xv xvid yahoo zeroconf zlib"
>
> I have policykit disabled in make.conf but it is enabled according to
> emerge --info. Is that the problem? One of them at least? I have tried to
> remove that but they keep getting pulled in. I did get rid of some but
> these last few are hair pullers to get rid of.
>
> Thanks for any tips.
>
> Dale
>
> :-) :-)
>
> Am 18.09.2011 21:39, schrieb Dale:
>
> > Thanks for any tips.
>
> The first I would try is to remove the kde and kipi flags. If that helps
> then set them via package.use for one package at a time so you find
> what pulls kde4.
>
> Greetings
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> Dale writes:
>
> > I am still working on a stable install of KDE3 for a friend.
>
> I gave up on this. I was not able to enable HAL :-)
>
> > Thing is,
> > some KDE4 stuff keeps getting pulled in. This is the list as best as I
> > can tell with my command:
> >
> > kde-base/khelpcenter-4.7.1
> > kde-base/kdesu-4.7.1
> > kde-base/nepomuk-4.7.1
> > kde-base/kdelibs-4.7.1
> > kde-base/kde-env-4.7.1
>
> Use the -t/--tree argument to emerge, this will tell you what is pulling
> them in.
>
> Wonko
>
> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:39:12 -0500
> Dale <rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am still working on a stable install of KDE3 for a friend. Thing
> > is, some KDE4 stuff keeps getting pulled in. This is the list as
> > best as I can tell with my command:
> >
> > kde-base/khelpcenter-4.7.1
> > kde-base/kdesu-4.7.1
> > kde-base/nepomuk-4.7.1
> > kde-base/kdelibs-4.7.1
> > kde-base/kde-env-4.7.1
>
> emerge --depclean -v =kde-base/khelpcenter-4.7.1
>
> should show what keeps it around. And similarly for remaining packages.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Micha³ Górny
>
> Am 18.09.2011 23:23, schrieb Alex Schuster:
> > Dale writes:
> >
> >> I am still working on a stable install of KDE3 for a friend.
> >
> > I gave up on this. I was not able to enable HAL :-)
>
> HAL is just on of many good reasons to avoid KDE3 and use something else
> like e17 or xfce4. If KDE tools are needed then use the ones from KDE4,
> they work flawless with other DE and WM
>
> Greetings
>
> Sebastian Beßler
>
>
>
> Sebastian Beßler writes:
>
> > Am 18.09.2011 23:23, schrieb Alex Schuster:
> > > Dale writes:
> > >
> > >> I am still working on a stable install of KDE3 for a friend.
> > >
> > > I gave up on this. I was not able to enable HAL :-)
> >
> > HAL is just on of many good reasons to avoid KDE3 and use something else
> > like e17 or xfce4. If KDE tools are needed then use the ones from KDE4,
> > they work flawless with other DE and WM
>
> The problem were the kioslaves, without HAL, KDE3 was unable to detect
> and automount external media. I wanted to keep the setup, the PC is
> rather old and slow, but in the end I switched to KDE4. Using Sabayon
> Linux instead of Gentoo, in order to avoid the compiles.
>
> Wonko
>
> Sorry for the looong delay. It's partially because I the system it remote
> and I do not always have access to it, and partially because I nearly
> forgot about this :) Sorry for that.
>
> Long, long ago Tiago Marques wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Brent Busby <brent@keycorner.org>
> > wrote:
> > > On Tue, 12 Jul 2011, Alex Schuster wrote:
>
>
> > >
> > > Here's what I've had to do...
> > >
> > > In /etc/portage/package.use.mask:
> > >
> > > kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves -hal
> > > app-cdr/k3b -hal
>
> Here, too.
>
> > > In /etc/portage/package.keywords (because newer masked ebuilds of
> > > these two packages solve some build issues):
> > >
> > > kde-base/kdelibs:3.5 ~amd64
> > > kde-base/kcontrol:3.5 ~amd64
>
> Done (with ~x86 instead).
>
> > > In /etc/portage/package.unmask:
> > >
> > > kde-base/kdelibs:3.5
> > > kde-base/kcontrol:3.5
> >
> > > Hope this helps...
>
> No, it did not help :(
>
> > Install this and all will be ok:
> >
> > kde-base/kdebase-kioslaves-3.5.10-r1
> > sys-apps/dbus-1.2.24
> > sys-apps/hal-0.5.13-r2
>
> I tried, getting these ooold versions from the attic. But it still
> didn't work out.
>
> But the PC is a rather old one, and so I decided to go away from Gentoo.
> Using distcc helped, but only when I and my fast (well not really, but
> much faster than that old Sempron) PC were there. I decided to try
> Sabayon Linux, which is based on Gentoo, but binary. There is no KDE3,
> though, so I had to install KDE4. Which is somewhat slow, maybe Xfce4 or
> LXDE will be better.
>
> BTW, I'm not too happy with Sabayon either. The equo package manager is
> not as sophisticated as emerge, for example it looks like it is not
> possible to call it when another instance is already running. And I do
> not yet understand how I can mix equo with portage. But I dod not dig
> into this too much, the person using this PC mainly uses KMail, Firefox
> and aMSN, and this is working fine.
>
> Anyway, thanks both of you for your assistance.
>
> Wonk
>
> Micha³ Górny wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:39:12 -0500
>> Dale<rdalek1967@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I am still working on a stable install of KDE3 for a friend. Thing
>>> is, some KDE4 stuff keeps getting pulled in. This is the list as
>>> best as I can tell with my command:
>>>
>>> kde-base/khelpcenter-4.7.1
>>> kde-base/kdesu-4.7.1
>>> kde-base/nepomuk-4.7.1
>>> kde-base/kdelibs-4.7.1
>>> kde-base/kde-env-4.7.1
>>>
>> emerge --depclean -v =kde-base/khelpcenter-4.7.1
>>
>> should show what keeps it around. And similarly for remaining packages.
>>
>> Did some of that already, just forgot to mention it. It seems to go into
> circles. I installed KDE4 first then KDE3. I'm thinking about getting rid
> of them both then installing just KDE3. I really think there is some USE
> flag that is doing this.
>
> I did remove the KDE USE flag. It didn't help. I'm going to switch to a
> plain Desktop profile. I think I have it on the KDE profile not that I
> think about it.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dale
>
> :-) :-)
>
> Sebastian Beßler wrote:
>
>> Am 18.09.2011 21:39, schrieb Dale:
>>
>> Thanks for any tips.
>>>
>> The first I would try is to remove the kde and kipi flags. If that helps
>> then set them via package.use for one package at a time so you find
>> what pulls kde4.
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Sebastian
>>
>>
> I set it to a plain desktop profile and that seemed to clean things up
> nicely. Now we cooking with KDE3.
>
> Thanks much. I knew it was something simple that I was missing.
>
> Dale
>
> :-) :-)
>
>