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On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 11:23 +0100, Charles Bueche wrote:
> Hi Andrew and list,
>
>
> [
> First let me say Davical is great and relatively easy to setup. Got it
> running on Ubuntu 8.10 (manualy untarring and setup of davical and
> awl). Here is the list of packages I had to install (might depend on
> what you already have running on your server) :

Any particular reason you didn't just use the debian packages? These
should work fine in Ubuntu so long as PostgreSQL >= 8.1 and PHP >= 5.1.


> I'm trying to get shared calendars to work on 0.9.8. Normal calendars
> works well with my iCal (OS X Tiger 10.5.8) and my iphone 3G under
> 3.1.2.
>
> I would like to setup a shared calendar for my small company (6
> users), so each of us can enter its holidays or meetings. Everyone
> should have read-write on it. I have read
> http://wiki.davical.org/w/Permissions_Redesign a few times, but can't
> really get it to work.

Take a look at:
http://wiki.davical.org/w/Permissions
which is hopefully more like the sort of thing you need for setting
stuff up.

Of course the rewrite of the permissions system is a fairly large
change, and it may be that I've missed some stuff there :-)


> Can someone write the steps I need to do, eg :
>
>
> - create user1
> - create user2
> - create groupA
> - add user1 and user2 to groupA
> - and then ????

Logged in as admin:

Choose 'New principal' to create user 1, user 2 and groupA.

When entering the details for GroupA set the 'Principal Type' to 'Group'
and a 'Group Members' section will appear after it has been saved. Add
user1 and user2 to this group.

Then go back to edit user1 and add a 'Grant' conferring privileges to
'groupA', do similarly for user2.

In iCal you should hopefully see something appear in your 'delegations'
tab for the account after this is done.

Cheers,
Andrew.

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Hi Andrew,

On Dec 28, 2009, at 11:59, Andrew McMillan wrote:

> On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 11:23 +0100, Charles Bueche wrote:
>> Hi Andrew and list,
>>
>>
>> [
>> First let me say Davical is great and relatively easy to setup. Got
>> it
>> running on Ubuntu 8.10 (manualy untarring and setup of davical and
>> awl). Here is the list of packages I had to install (might depend on
>> what you already have running on your server) :
>
> Any particular reason you didn't just use the debian packages? These
> should work fine in Ubuntu so long as PostgreSQL >= 8.1 and PHP >=
> 5.1.

well, I assumed this old Ubuntu release wasn't supported and did not
bother to try the packages. Me bad, I will know for the next time :-)

>> I'm trying to get shared calendars to work on 0.9.8. Normal calendars
>> works well with my iCal (OS X Tiger 10.5.8) and my iphone 3G under
>> 3.1.2.
>>
>> I would like to setup a shared calendar for my small company (6
>> users), so each of us can enter its holidays or meetings. Everyone
>> should have read-write on it. I have read
>> http://wiki.davical.org/w/Permissions_Redesign a few times, but can't
>> really get it to work.
>
> Take a look at:
> http://wiki.davical.org/w/Permissions
> which is hopefully more like the sort of thing you need for setting
> stuff up.

Makes more sense, thanks for the link

>> Can someone write the steps I need to do, eg :
>>
>>
>> - create user1
>> - create user2
>> - create groupA
>> - add user1 and user2 to groupA
>> - and then ????
>
> Logged in as admin:
>
> Choose 'New principal' to create user 1, user 2 and groupA.
>
> When entering the details for GroupA set the 'Principal Type' to
> 'Group'
> and a 'Group Members' section will appear after it has been saved.
> Add
> user1 and user2 to this group.
>
> Then go back to edit user1 and add a 'Grant' conferring privileges to
> 'groupA', do similarly for user2.
>
> In iCal you should hopefully see something appear in your
> 'delegations'
> tab for the account after this is done.

yes, I got the stuff in "delegations". What I didn't know is how do I
create the shared calendar. I have now used a second OS X account to
start a separate iCal instance and play with it.

It somewhat work, even if I will need more tests to really understand
all this "granting" stuff.

Thanks for your help,
Charles

Hi Andrew and list,

I have been able to create and share a calendar, so far so good.

However, I want to create many calendars for me but only share one of
them.

- If I give read-write grant to this user on my "Principal Grants",
all my calendars are shared.
- If I give the read-write only on the Collection Grant of the
calendar I want to share, no access is possible (and the delegation
list is empty in iCal).

Hints welcome...
Charles

On Dec 28, 2009, at 13:39, Charles Bueche wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
>
> On Dec 28, 2009, at 11:59, Andrew McMillan wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 11:23 +0100, Charles Bueche wrote:
>>> Hi Andrew and list,
>>>
>>>
>>> [
>>> First let me say Davical is great and relatively easy to setup. Got
>>> it
>>> running on Ubuntu 8.10 (manualy untarring and setup of davical and
>>> awl). Here is the list of packages I had to install (might depend on
>>> what you already have running on your server) :
>>
>> Any particular reason you didn't just use the debian packages? These
>> should work fine in Ubuntu so long as PostgreSQL >= 8.1 and PHP >=
>> 5.1.
>
> well, I assumed this old Ubuntu release wasn't supported and did not
> bother to try the packages. Me bad, I will know for the next time :-)
>
>>> I'm trying to get shared calendars to work on 0.9.8. Normal
>>> calendars
>>> works well with my iCal (OS X Tiger 10.5.8) and my iphone 3G under
>>> 3.1.2.
>>>
>>> I would like to setup a shared calendar for my small company (6
>>> users), so each of us can enter its holidays or meetings. Everyone
>>> should have read-write on it. I have read
>>> http://wiki.davical.org/w/Permissions_Redesign a few times, but
>>> can't
>>> really get it to work.
>>
>> Take a look at:
>> http://wiki.davical.org/w/Permissions
>> which is hopefully more like the sort of thing you need for setting
>> stuff up.
>
> Makes more sense, thanks for the link
>
>>> Can someone write the steps I need to do, eg :
>>>
>>>
>>> - create user1
>>> - create user2
>>> - create groupA
>>> - add user1 and user2 to groupA
>>> - and then ????
>>
>> Logged in as admin:
>>
>> Choose 'New principal' to create user 1, user 2 and groupA.
>>
>> When entering the details for GroupA set the 'Principal Type' to
>> 'Group'
>> and a 'Group Members' section will appear after it has been saved.
>> Add
>> user1 and user2 to this group.
>>
>> Then go back to edit user1 and add a 'Grant' conferring privileges to
>> 'groupA', do similarly for user2.
>>
>> In iCal you should hopefully see something appear in your
>> 'delegations'
>> tab for the account after this is done.
>
> yes, I got the stuff in "delegations". What I didn't know is how do I
> create the shared calendar. I have now used a second OS X account to
> start a separate iCal instance and play with it.
>
> It somewhat work, even if I will need more tests to really understand
> all this "granting" stuff.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Charles
>

On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 22:45 +0100, Charles Bueche wrote:
> Hi Andrew and list,
>
> I have been able to create and share a calendar, so far so good.
>
> However, I want to create many calendars for me but only share one of
> them.
>
> - If I give read-write grant to this user on my "Principal Grants",
> all my calendars are shared.
> - If I give the read-write only on the Collection Grant of the
> calendar I want to share, no access is possible (and the delegation
> list is empty in iCal).

This is a limitation in iCal, unfortunately - it seems they haven't
thought that someone might want per-calendar permissions.

Though it might not be visible as a delegated calendar, I think iCal
will still let you go directly to it if you set up an additional account
pointing directly at the calendar URL. Maybe. I've heard reports of
this working, but I'm not sure how well it works with 0.9.8 which
provides a lot more information back to the client and iCal may use that
to head back to the principal URL as it does.

Cheers,
Andrew.



>
> Hints welcome...
> Charles
>
> On Dec 28, 2009, at 13:39, Charles Bueche wrote:
>
> > Hi Andrew,
> >
> > On Dec 28, 2009, at 11:59, Andrew McMillan wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 11:23 +0100, Charles Bueche wrote:
> >>> Hi Andrew and list,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [
> >>> First let me say Davical is great and relatively easy to setup. Got
> >>> it
> >>> running on Ubuntu 8.10 (manualy untarring and setup of davical and
> >>> awl). Here is the list of packages I had to install (might depend on
> >>> what you already have running on your server) :
> >>
> >> Any particular reason you didn't just use the debian packages? These
> >> should work fine in Ubuntu so long as PostgreSQL >= 8.1 and PHP >=
> >> 5.1.
> >
> > well, I assumed this old Ubuntu release wasn't supported and did not
> > bother to try the packages. Me bad, I will know for the next time :-)
> >
> >>> I'm trying to get shared calendars to work on 0.9.8. Normal
> >>> calendars
> >>> works well with my iCal (OS X Tiger 10.5.8) and my iphone 3G under
> >>> 3.1.2.
> >>>
> >>> I would like to setup a shared calendar for my small company (6
> >>> users), so each of us can enter its holidays or meetings. Everyone
> >>> should have read-write on it. I have read
> >>> http://wiki.davical.org/w/Permissions_Redesign a few times, but
> >>> can't
> >>> really get it to work.
> >>
> >> Take a look at:
> >> http://wiki.davical.org/w/Permissions
> >> which is hopefully more like the sort of thing you need for setting
> >> stuff up.
> >
> > Makes more sense, thanks for the link
> >
> >>> Can someone write the steps I need to do, eg :
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> - create user1
> >>> - create user2
> >>> - create groupA
> >>> - add user1 and user2 to groupA
> >>> - and then ????
> >>
> >> Logged in as admin:
> >>
> >> Choose 'New principal' to create user 1, user 2 and groupA.
> >>
> >> When entering the details for GroupA set the 'Principal Type' to
> >> 'Group'
> >> and a 'Group Members' section will appear after it has been saved.
> >> Add
> >> user1 and user2 to this group.
> >>
> >> Then go back to edit user1 and add a 'Grant' conferring privileges to
> >> 'groupA', do similarly for user2.
> >>
> >> In iCal you should hopefully see something appear in your
> >> 'delegations'
> >> tab for the account after this is done.
> >
> > yes, I got the stuff in "delegations". What I didn't know is how do I
> > create the shared calendar. I have now used a second OS X account to
> > start a separate iCal instance and play with it.
> >
> > It somewhat work, even if I will need more tests to really understand
> > all this "granting" stuff.
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> > Charles
> >

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Hello Andrew,

thanks for your answer. It works strangely, it's somewhat possible to
see the content (iCal shows it has read-only and SunBird as free-busy)
but not to edit it, and both clients present strange issues.

I will try another approach : for the calendars that need sharing, I
will create them with a dedicated user, and it will only contains the
calendars that need sharing. More on my tests soon.

Regs,
Charles

On Jan 6, 2010, at 2:31, Andrew McMillan wrote:

> On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 22:45 +0100, Charles Bueche wrote:
>> Hi Andrew and list,
>>
>> I have been able to create and share a calendar, so far so good.
>>
>> However, I want to create many calendars for me but only share one of
>> them.
>>
>> - If I give read-write grant to this user on my "Principal Grants",
>> all my calendars are shared.
>> - If I give the read-write only on the Collection Grant of the
>> calendar I want to share, no access is possible (and the delegation
>> list is empty in iCal).
>
> This is a limitation in iCal, unfortunately - it seems they haven't
> thought that someone might want per-calendar permissions.
>
> Though it might not be visible as a delegated calendar, I think iCal
> will still let you go directly to it if you set up an additional
> account
> pointing directly at the calendar URL. Maybe. I've heard reports of
> this working, but I'm not sure how well it works with 0.9.8 which
> provides a lot more information back to the client and iCal may use
> that
> to head back to the principal URL as it does.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew.
>
>
>
>>
>> Hints welcome...
>> Charles
>>
>> On Dec 28, 2009, at 13:39, Charles Bueche wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Andrew,
>>>
>>> On Dec 28, 2009, at 11:59, Andrew McMillan wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 11:23 +0100, Charles Bueche wrote:
>>>>> Hi Andrew and list,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [
>>>>> First let me say Davical is great and relatively easy to setup.
>>>>> Got
>>>>> it
>>>>> running on Ubuntu 8.10 (manualy untarring and setup of davical and
>>>>> awl). Here is the list of packages I had to install (might
>>>>> depend on
>>>>> what you already have running on your server) :
>>>>
>>>> Any particular reason you didn't just use the debian packages?
>>>> These
>>>> should work fine in Ubuntu so long as PostgreSQL >= 8.1 and PHP >=
>>>> 5.1.
>>>
>>> well, I assumed this old Ubuntu release wasn't supported and did not
>>> bother to try the packages. Me bad, I will know for the next
>>> time :-)
>>>
>>>>> I'm trying to get shared calendars to work on 0.9.8. Normal
>>>>> calendars
>>>>> works well with my iCal (OS X Tiger 10.5.8) and my iphone 3G under
>>>>> 3.1.2.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to setup a shared calendar for my small company (6
>>>>> users), so each of us can enter its holidays or meetings. Everyone
>>>>> should have read-write on it. I have read
>>>>> http://wiki.davical.org/w/Permissions_Redesign a few times, but
>>>>> can't
>>>>> really get it to work.
>>>>
>>>> Take a look at:
>>>> http://wiki.davical.org/w/Permissions
>>>> which is hopefully more like the sort of thing you need for setting
>>>> stuff up.
>>>
>>> Makes more sense, thanks for the link
>>>
>>>>> Can someone write the steps I need to do, eg :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> - create user1
>>>>> - create user2
>>>>> - create groupA
>>>>> - add user1 and user2 to groupA
>>>>> - and then ????
>>>>
>>>> Logged in as admin:
>>>>
>>>> Choose 'New principal' to create user 1, user 2 and groupA.
>>>>
>>>> When entering the details for GroupA set the 'Principal Type' to
>>>> 'Group'
>>>> and a 'Group Members' section will appear after it has been saved.
>>>> Add
>>>> user1 and user2 to this group.
>>>>
>>>> Then go back to edit user1 and add a 'Grant' conferring
>>>> privileges to
>>>> 'groupA', do similarly for user2.
>>>>
>>>> In iCal you should hopefully see something appear in your
>>>> 'delegations'
>>>> tab for the account after this is done.
>>>
>>> yes, I got the stuff in "delegations". What I didn't know is how
>>> do I
>>> create the shared calendar. I have now used a second OS X account to
>>> start a separate iCal instance and play with it.
>>>
>>> It somewhat work, even if I will need more tests to really
>>> understand
>>> all this "granting" stuff.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>> Charles
>>>

On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 18:03 +0100, Charles Bueche wrote:
> Hello Andrew,
>
> thanks for your answer. It works strangely, it's somewhat possible to
> see the content (iCal shows it has read-only and SunBird as free-busy)
> but not to edit it, and both clients present strange issues.
>
> I will try another approach : for the calendars that need sharing, I
> will create them with a dedicated user, and it will only contains the
> calendars that need sharing. More on my tests soon.

In 0.9.8 it might be shown as read-only anonymised data if a user only
has free/busy access to a calendar. I'm curious about what 'strange
issues' means - feel free to explain in more detail off-list.

The additional user answer is going to be least effort though :-)

Cheers,
Andrew.
>
> Regs,
> Charles
>
> On Jan 6, 2010, at 2:31, Andrew McMillan wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 22:45 +0100, Charles Bueche wrote:
> >> Hi Andrew and list,
> >>
> >> I have been able to create and share a calendar, so far so good.
> >>
> >> However, I want to create many calendars for me but only share one of
> >> them.
> >>
> >> - If I give read-write grant to this user on my "Principal Grants",
> >> all my calendars are shared.
> >> - If I give the read-write only on the Collection Grant of the
> >> calendar I want to share, no access is possible (and the delegation
> >> list is empty in iCal).
> >
> > This is a limitation in iCal, unfortunately - it seems they haven't
> > thought that someone might want per-calendar permissions.
> >
> > Though it might not be visible as a delegated calendar, I think iCal
> > will still let you go directly to it if you set up an additional
> > account
> > pointing directly at the calendar URL. Maybe. I've heard reports of
> > this working, but I'm not sure how well it works with 0.9.8 which
> > provides a lot more information back to the client and iCal may use
> > that
> > to head back to the principal URL as it does.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Andrew.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Hints welcome...
> >> Charles
> >>
> >> On Dec 28, 2009, at 13:39, Charles Bueche wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Andrew,
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 28, 2009, at 11:59, Andrew McMillan wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 11:23 +0100, Charles Bueche wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Andrew and list,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [
> >>>>> First let me say Davical is great and relatively easy to setup.
> >>>>> Got
> >>>>> it
> >>>>> running on Ubuntu 8.10 (manualy untarring and setup of davical and
> >>>>> awl). Here is the list of packages I had to install (might
> >>>>> depend on
> >>>>> what you already have running on your server) :
> >>>>
> >>>> Any particular reason you didn't just use the debian packages?
> >>>> These
> >>>> should work fine in Ubuntu so long as PostgreSQL >= 8.1 and PHP >=
> >>>> 5.1.
> >>>
> >>> well, I assumed this old Ubuntu release wasn't supported and did not
> >>> bother to try the packages. Me bad, I will know for the next
> >>> time :-)
> >>>
> >>>>> I'm trying to get shared calendars to work on 0.9.8. Normal
> >>>>> calendars
> >>>>> works well with my iCal (OS X Tiger 10.5.8) and my iphone 3G under
> >>>>> 3.1.2.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would like to setup a shared calendar for my small company (6
> >>>>> users), so each of us can enter its holidays or meetings. Everyone
> >>>>> should have read-write on it. I have read
> >>>>> http://wiki.davical.org/w/Permissions_Redesign a few times, but
> >>>>> can't
> >>>>> really get it to work.
> >>>>
> >>>> Take a look at:
> >>>> http://wiki.davical.org/w/Permissions
> >>>> which is hopefully more like the sort of thing you need for setting
> >>>> stuff up.
> >>>
> >>> Makes more sense, thanks for the link
> >>>
> >>>>> Can someone write the steps I need to do, eg :
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - create user1
> >>>>> - create user2
> >>>>> - create groupA
> >>>>> - add user1 and user2 to groupA
> >>>>> - and then ????
> >>>>
> >>>> Logged in as admin:
> >>>>
> >>>> Choose 'New principal' to create user 1, user 2 and groupA.
> >>>>
> >>>> When entering the details for GroupA set the 'Principal Type' to
> >>>> 'Group'
> >>>> and a 'Group Members' section will appear after it has been saved.
> >>>> Add
> >>>> user1 and user2 to this group.
> >>>>
> >>>> Then go back to edit user1 and add a 'Grant' conferring
> >>>> privileges to
> >>>> 'groupA', do similarly for user2.
> >>>>
> >>>> In iCal you should hopefully see something appear in your
> >>>> 'delegations'
> >>>> tab for the account after this is done.
> >>>
> >>> yes, I got the stuff in "delegations". What I didn't know is how
> >>> do I
> >>> create the shared calendar. I have now used a second OS X account to
> >>> start a separate iCal instance and play with it.
> >>>
> >>> It somewhat work, even if I will need more tests to really
> >>> understand
> >>> all this "granting" stuff.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your help,
> >>> Charles
> >>>

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