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I'm using the Backup utility provided by Cisco...it seems to backup
fine, but I haven't tested a restore =|..


-Anthony Mendoza





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From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Carter, Bill
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:05 AM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000
Backup


Has anyone tried using the Windows 2000 Backup utility on Call
Manager. I am planning a Call Manager upgrade and I am looking for a
faster "recover" method if the upgrade fails. The environment is a
single CallManager MCS-7825 with out a RAID drive to pull before the
upgrade.


Bill Carter
Senior Business Communications Analyst
Sentinel Technologies, Inc.
Cisco Systems IP Communications
Partner of the Year
bcarter@sentinel.com <mailto:bcarter@sentinel.com>
217.391.7015 (W)
217.415.5513 (M)
217.698.9222 (F)





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Messageghost to a backup IDE drive is your friend.
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From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net]On Behalf Of Carter, Bill
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup


Has anyone tried using the Windows 2000 Backup utility on Call Manager. I
am planning a Call Manager upgrade and I am looking for a faster "recover"
method if the upgrade fails. The environment is a single CallManager
MCS-7825 with out a RAID drive to pull before the upgrade.

Bill Carter
Senior Business Communications Analyst
Sentinel Technologies, Inc.
Cisco Systems IP Communications
Partner of the Year
bcarter@sentinel.com
217.391.7015 (W)
217.415.5513 (M)
217.698.9222 (F)

One of the engineers here has tried to recover from a backup, and has been
unsuccessful to this day. He has tried 3 times and the configuration has
never come up the same. I've never tried it myself, and am somewhat
hesitant to try after hearing this. I would go with the Ghost image like
Wes reccomended.

Jesse

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From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Wes Sisk
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:13 AM
To: Carter, Bill; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup


ghost to a backup IDE drive is your friend.

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net]On Behalf Of Carter, Bill
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup


Has anyone tried using the Windows 2000 Backup utility on Call Manager. I
am planning a Call Manager upgrade and I am looking for a faster "recover"
method if the upgrade fails. The environment is a single CallManager
MCS-7825 with out a RAID drive to pull before the upgrade.


Bill Carter
Senior Business Communications Analyst
Sentinel Technologies, Inc.
Cisco Systems IP Communications
Partner of the Year
<mailto:bcarter@sentinel.com> bcarter@sentinel.com
217.391.7015 (W)
217.415.5513 (M)
217.698.9222 (F)

What does everyone do to actually backup their servers on a regular
basis if the backup tool provided by Cisco isn't quite right?
--
Anthony Mendoza
Senior Infrastructure Manager
t: 650-298-5955
c: 510-579-1909
f: 650-701-2730
e: amendoza@niku.com


On 6/9/2004 9:25 AM, J A Pine wrote:
> One of the engineers here has tried to recover from a backup, and has been unsuccessful to this day. He has tried 3 times and the configuration has never come up the same. I've never tried it myself, and am somewhat hesitant to try after hearing this. I would go with the Ghost image like Wes reccomended.
>
> Jesse
>
> _____
>
> From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Wes Sisk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:13 AM
> To: Carter, Bill; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>
>
> ghost to a backup IDE drive is your friend.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net]On Behalf Of Carter, Bill
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM
> To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>
>
> Has anyone tried using the Windows 2000 Backup utility on Call Manager. I am planning a Call Manager upgrade and I am looking for a faster "recover" method if the upgrade fails. The environment is a single CallManager MCS-7825 with out a RAID drive to pull before the upgrade.
>
>
> Bill Carter
> Senior Business Communications Analyst
> Sentinel Technologies, Inc.
> Cisco Systems IP Communications
> Partner of the Year
> <mailto:bcarter@sentinel.com> bcarter@sentinel.com
> 217.391.7015 (W)
> 217.415.5513 (M)
> 217.698.9222 (F)
>
>
>
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It's not Cisco approved but have you thought about a Ghost image? Might
be the fastest recovery.



Scott



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From: Carter, Bill [mailto:WCarter@sentinel.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:05 AM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup



Has anyone tried using the Windows 2000 Backup utility on Call Manager.
I am planning a Call Manager upgrade and I am looking for a faster
"recover" method if the upgrade fails. The environment is a single
CallManager MCS-7825 with out a RAID drive to pull before the upgrade.



Bill Carter
Senior Business Communications Analyst
Sentinel Technologies, Inc.
Cisco Systems IP Communications
Partner of the Year
bcarter@sentinel.com <mailto:bcarter@sentinel.com>
217.391.7015 (W)
217.415.5513 (M)
217.698.9222 (F)

We bought an extra drive and just break the mirror on a regular basis
(or before updates). Pretty ghetto, but quite effective...

Anthony Mendoza wrote:

>
> What does everyone do to actually backup their servers on a regular
> basis if the backup tool provided by Cisco isn't quite right?
> --
> Anthony Mendoza
> Senior Infrastructure Manager
> t: 650-298-5955
> c: 510-579-1909
> f: 650-701-2730
> e: amendoza@niku.com
>
>
> On 6/9/2004 9:25 AM, J A Pine wrote:
>
>> One of the engineers here has tried to recover from a backup, and has
>> been unsuccessful to this day. He has tried 3 times and the
>> configuration has never come up the same. I've never tried it
>> myself, and am somewhat hesitant to try after hearing this. I would
>> go with the Ghost image like Wes reccomended.
>>
>> Jesse
>>
>> _____
>> From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
>> [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Wes Sisk
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:13 AM
>> To: Carter, Bill; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
>> Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>>
>>
>> ghost to a backup IDE drive is your friend.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
>> [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net]On Behalf Of Carter, Bill
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM
>> To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
>> Subject: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>>
>>
>> Has anyone tried using the Windows 2000 Backup utility on Call
>> Manager. I am planning a Call Manager upgrade and I am looking for a
>> faster "recover" method if the upgrade fails. The environment is a
>> single CallManager MCS-7825 with out a RAID drive to pull before the
>> upgrade.
>>
>>
>> Bill Carter Senior Business Communications Analyst Sentinel
>> Technologies, Inc. Cisco Systems IP Communications Partner of the
>> Year <mailto:bcarter@sentinel.com> bcarter@sentinel.com 217.391.7015
>> (W) 217.415.5513 (M) 217.698.9222 (F)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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I couldn't imagine running CallManager on a machine I couldn't pull a RAID
drive on. I'm a relative Windows newbie, but I have never been able in 6
years to use NTBackup or its derivatives to produce a bootable backup drive.

Having said that, here's a trick we use: buy a Promise RAID card ($79 for
their FastTrak100 TX2) (or use your favorite brand) and stick it in any old
PC. Plug your CCM hard drive in one of the card's RAID 1 ports, and a
duplicate (or at least as-big) drive in the other. When the Promise BIOS
boots up, go into the Configure Array menus, and configure a RAID 1 mirror
using the CCM drive as the reference. When it's done, you now have the
equivalent of a pulled RAID drive. I would stick it in the CCM box just to
be sure it really works, but we haven't had it not work yet.

Mike Armstrong
U/IFAS CREC
Lake Alfred, FL

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> Has anyone tried using the Windows 2000 Backup utility on Call Manager.
> I am planning a Call Manager upgrade and I am looking for a faster
> "recover" method if the upgrade fails. The environment is a single
> CallManager MCS-7825 with out a RAID drive to pull before the upgrade.
>
>
> Bill Carter
> Senior Business Communications Analyst
> Sentinel Technologies, Inc.
> Cisco Systems IP Communications
> Partner of the Year
> bcarter@sentinel.com <mailto:bcarter@sentinel.com>
> 217.391.7015 (W)
> 217.415.5513 (M)
> 217.698.9222 (F)
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> From: "Anthony Mendoza" <amendoza@Niku.com>
> Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
> To: "Carter, Bill" <WCarter@sentinel.com>,
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> I'm using the Backup utility provided by Cisco...it seems to backup
> fine, but I haven't tested a restore =|..
>
>
> -Anthony Mendoza
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
> [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Carter, Bill
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:05 AM
> To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000
> Backup
>
>
> Has anyone tried using the Windows 2000 Backup utility on Call
> Manager. I am planning a Call Manager upgrade and I am looking for a
> faster "recover" method if the upgrade fails. The environment is a
> single CallManager MCS-7825 with out a RAID drive to pull before the
> upgrade.
>
>
> Bill Carter
> Senior Business Communications Analyst
> Sentinel Technologies, Inc.
> Cisco Systems IP Communications
> Partner of the Year
> bcarter@sentinel.com <mailto:bcarter@sentinel.com>
> 217.391.7015 (W)
> 217.415.5513 (M)
> 217.698.9222 (F)
>
>
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> From: "Wes Sisk" <wsisk@cisco.com>
> Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
> To: "Carter, Bill" <WCarter@sentinel.com>,
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> Messageghost to a backup IDE drive is your friend.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
> [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net]On Behalf Of Carter, Bill
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM
> To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>
>
> Has anyone tried using the Windows 2000 Backup utility on Call Manager.
I
> am planning a Call Manager upgrade and I am looking for a faster "recover"
> method if the upgrade fails. The environment is a single CallManager
> MCS-7825 with out a RAID drive to pull before the upgrade.
>
> Bill Carter
> Senior Business Communications Analyst
> Sentinel Technologies, Inc.
> Cisco Systems IP Communications
> Partner of the Year
> bcarter@sentinel.com
> 217.391.7015 (W)
> 217.415.5513 (M)
> 217.698.9222 (F)
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> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 09:25:21 -0700
> From: "J A Pine" <versatile@direct-support.com>
> Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
> To: "'Wes Sisk'" <wsisk@cisco.com>, "'Carter, Bill'"
> <WCarter@sentinel.com>, <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>
> Message-ID: <20040609162715.786A55DF92@omta12.mta.everyone.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> One of the engineers here has tried to recover from a backup, and has been
> unsuccessful to this day. He has tried 3 times and the configuration has
> never come up the same. I've never tried it myself, and am somewhat
> hesitant to try after hearing this. I would go with the Ghost image like
> Wes reccomended.
>
> Jesse
>
> _____
>
> From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
> [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Wes Sisk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:13 AM
> To: Carter, Bill; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>
>
> ghost to a backup IDE drive is your friend.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
> [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net]On Behalf Of Carter, Bill
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM
> To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>
>
> Has anyone tried using the Windows 2000 Backup utility on Call Manager. I
> am planning a Call Manager upgrade and I am looking for a faster "recover"
> method if the upgrade fails. The environment is a single CallManager
> MCS-7825 with out a RAID drive to pull before the upgrade.
>
>
> Bill Carter
> Senior Business Communications Analyst
> Sentinel Technologies, Inc.
> Cisco Systems IP Communications
> Partner of the Year
> <mailto:bcarter@sentinel.com> bcarter@sentinel.com
> 217.391.7015 (W)
> 217.415.5513 (M)
> 217.698.9222 (F)
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> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 12:29:49 -0400
> From: Candace Holman <Candace_Holman@harvard.edu>
> Subject: [cisco-voip] 7970 phone and XML services
> To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040609121537.046e66f8@camail.harvard.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> I have found that our custom XML services that work on the 7960 do not
work
> on the 7970 with boot load 7970_64060118.bin. They seem to timeout before
> getting an http response. The same applications do work on the 7912.
>
> Is it related to the 7970 firmware? Has anyone else run into this
problem?
>
> Thanks,
> Candace
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 09:33:23 -0700
> From: Anthony Mendoza <amendoza@Niku.com>
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
> To: versatile@direct-support.com
> Cc: "Carter, Bill" <WCarter@sentinel.com>, cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Message-ID: <40C73BD3.8080808@niku.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed
>
>
> What does everyone do to actually backup their servers on a regular
> basis if the backup tool provided by Cisco isn't quite right?
> --
> Anthony Mendoza
> Senior Infrastructure Manager
> t: 650-298-5955
> c: 510-579-1909
> f: 650-701-2730
> e: amendoza@niku.com
>
>
> On 6/9/2004 9:25 AM, J A Pine wrote:
> > One of the engineers here has tried to recover from a backup, and has
been unsuccessful to this day. He has tried 3 times and the configuration
has never come up the same. I've never tried it myself, and am somewhat
hesitant to try after hearing this. I would go with the Ghost image like
Wes reccomended.
> >
> > Jesse
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Wes Sisk
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:13 AM
> > To: Carter, Bill; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> > Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
> >
> >
> > ghost to a backup IDE drive is your friend.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net]On Behalf Of Carter, Bill
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM
> > To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> > Subject: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
> >
> >
> > Has anyone tried using the Windows 2000 Backup utility on Call Manager.
I am planning a Call Manager upgrade and I am looking for a faster "recover"
method if the upgrade fails. The environment is a single CallManager
MCS-7825 with out a RAID drive to pull before the upgrade.
> >
> >
> > Bill Carter
> > Senior Business Communications Analyst
> > Sentinel Technologies, Inc.
> > Cisco Systems IP Communications
> > Partner of the Year
> > <mailto:bcarter@sentinel.com> bcarter@sentinel.com
> > 217.391.7015 (W)
> > 217.415.5513 (M)
> > 217.698.9222 (F)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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MessageKeep in mind that if it's a cluster SQL replication and DCD
replication will be broken after a ghost restore. ghost backup/restore is
not really supported by Cisco, but it has worked well in the field.

/Wes
-----Original Message-----
From: J A Pine [mailto:versatile@direct-support.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:25 PM
To: 'Wes Sisk'; 'Carter, Bill'; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup


One of the engineers here has tried to recover from a backup, and has been
unsuccessful to this day. He has tried 3 times and the configuration has
never come up the same. I've never tried it myself, and am somewhat
hesitant to try after hearing this. I would go with the Ghost image like
Wes reccomended.

Jesse



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From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Wes Sisk
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:13 AM
To: Carter, Bill; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup


ghost to a backup IDE drive is your friend.
-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net]On Behalf Of Carter, Bill
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup


Has anyone tried using the Windows 2000 Backup utility on Call Manager.
I am planning a Call Manager upgrade and I am looking for a faster "recover"
method if the upgrade fails. The environment is a single CallManager
MCS-7825 with out a RAID drive to pull before the upgrade.

Bill Carter
Senior Business Communications Analyst
Sentinel Technologies, Inc.
Cisco Systems IP Communications
Partner of the Year
bcarter@sentinel.com
217.391.7015 (W)
217.415.5513 (M)
217.698.9222 (F)

Any future plans to change the backup options for Call Manager to
provide a single of couple step process instead of manual restore of OS,
CCM then CCM Backup utility restore?

-----Original Message-----
From: Wes Sisk [mailto:wsisk@cisco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 1:14 PM
To: versatile@direct-support.com; Carter, Bill;
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using
Windows 2000 Backup

Keep in mind that if it's a cluster SQL replication and
DCD replication will be broken after a ghost restore. ghost
backup/restore is not really supported by Cisco, but it has worked well
in the field.

/Wes
-----Original Message-----
From: J A Pine [mailto:versatile@direct-support.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:25 PM
To: 'Wes Sisk'; 'Carter, Bill';
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using
Windows 2000 Backup
One of the engineers here has tried to recover from a
backup, and has been unsuccessful to this day. He has tried 3 times and
the configuration has never come up the same. I've never tried it
myself, and am somewhat hesitant to try after hearing this. I would go
with the Ghost image like Wes reccomended.

Jesse


From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Wes Sisk
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:13 AM
To: Carter, Bill; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using
Windows 2000 Backup
ghost to a backup IDE drive is your friend.
-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net]On Behalf Of Carter, Bill
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows
2000 Backup
Has anyone tried using the Windows 2000 Backup utility
on Call Manager. I am planning a Call Manager upgrade and I am looking
for a faster "recover" method if the upgrade fails. The environment is
a single CallManager MCS-7825 with out a RAID drive to pull before the
upgrade.

Bill Carter
Senior Business Communications Analyst
Sentinel Technologies, Inc.
Cisco Systems IP Communications
Partner of the Year
bcarter@sentinel.com
217.391.7015 (W)
217.415.5513 (M)
217.698.9222 (F)

Expanding on that a bit, you don't necessarily even need a backup IDE
drive. Simply reboot the callmanager with a network-enabled ghost boot
disk and create a ghost image on a network share. No fussing with
hardware.

Chances are that any large shop's desktop/server people will already
have the infrastructure in place to support this.

-----Original Message-----
From: Wes Sisk [mailto:wsisk@cisco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:13 PM
To: Carter, Bill; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup


ghost to a backup IDE drive is your friend.

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net]On Behalf Of Carter, Bill
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup


Has anyone tried using the Windows 2000 Backup utility on Call Manager.
I am planning a Call Manager upgrade and I am looking for a faster
"recover" method if the upgrade fails. The environment is a single
CallManager MCS-7825 with out a RAID drive to pull before the upgrade.


Bill Carter
Senior Business Communications Analyst
Sentinel Technologies, Inc.
Cisco Systems IP Communications
Partner of the Year
<mailto:bcarter@sentinel.com> bcarter@sentinel.com
217.391.7015 (W)
217.415.5513 (M)
217.698.9222 (F)




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RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 BackupThis is not
currently possible because of the incremental updates performed by ES's,
SR's, and even the maintenance releases. The underlying database for a
3.3(3) backup is very different from the underlying database for a 3.3(4)
system.

Thus, by allowing incremental updates for new features, we cannot allow the
simple 1 step restore.

Keep an ear out for a possible linux port of CCM that may include an
active/backup partition setup that allows immediate recovery.

/Wes
-----Original Message-----
From: Carter, Bill [mailto:WCarter@sentinel.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:15 PM
To: Wes Sisk; versatile@direct-support.com; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup


Any future plans to change the backup options for Call Manager to provide
a single of couple step process instead of manual restore of OS, CCM then
CCM Backup utility restore?

-----Original Message-----
From: Wes Sisk [mailto:wsisk@cisco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 1:14 PM
To: versatile@direct-support.com; Carter, Bill;
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup

Keep in mind that if it's a cluster SQL replication and DCD
replication will be broken after a ghost restore. ghost backup/restore is
not really supported by Cisco, but it has worked well in the field.



/Wes

-----Original Message-----
From: J A Pine [mailto:versatile@direct-support.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:25 PM
To: 'Wes Sisk'; 'Carter, Bill'; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup

One of the engineers here has tried to recover from a backup, and has
been unsuccessful to this day. He has tried 3 times and the configuration
has never come up the same. I've never tried it myself, and am somewhat
hesitant to try after hearing this. I would go with the Ghost image like
Wes reccomended.



Jesse



From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Wes Sisk
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:13 AM
To: Carter, Bill; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup

ghost to a backup IDE drive is your friend.

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net]On Behalf Of Carter, Bill
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup

Has anyone tried using the Windows 2000 Backup utility on Call
Manager. I am planning a Call Manager upgrade and I am looking for a faster
"recover" method if the upgrade fails. The environment is a single
CallManager MCS-7825 with out a RAID drive to pull before the upgrade.



Bill Carter
Senior Business Communications Analyst
Sentinel Technologies, Inc.
Cisco Systems IP Communications
Partner of the Year
bcarter@sentinel.com
217.391.7015 (W)
217.415.5513 (M)
217.698.9222 (F)

Wes,

Would this be a CCM only port, or would IPCCE also be supported?

-charles

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Wes Sisk
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:04 PM
To: Carter, Bill; versatile@direct-support.com; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup


This is not currently possible because of the incremental updates performed
by ES's, SR's, and even the maintenance releases. The underlying database
for a 3.3(3) backup is very different from the underlying database for a
3.3(4) system.

Thus, by allowing incremental updates for new features, we cannot allow the
simple 1 step restore.

Keep an ear out for a possible linux port of CCM that may include an
active/backup partition setup that allows immediate recovery.

/Wes

-----Original Message-----
From: Carter, Bill [mailto:WCarter@sentinel.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:15 PM
To: Wes Sisk; versatile@direct-support.com; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup



Any future plans to change the backup options for Call Manager to provide a
single of couple step process instead of manual restore of OS, CCM then CCM
Backup utility restore?

-----Original Message-----
From: Wes Sisk [mailto:wsisk@cisco.com <mailto:wsisk@cisco.com> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 1:14 PM
To: versatile@direct-support.com; Carter, Bill; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup

Keep in mind that if it's a cluster SQL replication and DCD
replication will be broken after a ghost restore. ghost backup/restore is
not really supported by Cisco, but it has worked well in the field.



/Wes

-----Original Message-----
From: J A Pine [mailto:versatile@direct-support.com
<mailto:versatile@direct-support.com> ]
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:25 PM
To: 'Wes Sisk'; 'Carter, Bill'; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup

One of the engineers here has tried to recover from a backup, and
has been unsuccessful to this day. He has tried 3 times and the
configuration has never come up the same. I've never tried it myself, and
am somewhat hesitant to try after hearing this. I would go with the Ghost
image like Wes reccomended.



Jesse


From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
<mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net> ] On Behalf Of Wes Sisk
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:13 AM
To: Carter, Bill; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup

ghost to a backup IDE drive is your friend.

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
<mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net> ]On Behalf Of Carter, Bill
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup

Has anyone tried using the Windows 2000 Backup utility on Call
Manager. I am planning a Call Manager upgrade and I am looking for a faster
"recover" method if the upgrade fails. The environment is a single
CallManager MCS-7825 with out a RAID drive to pull before the upgrade.



Bill Carter
Senior Business Communications Analyst
Sentinel Technologies, Inc.
Cisco Systems IP Communications
Partner of the Year
<mailto:bcarter@sentinel.com> bcarter@sentinel.com
217.391.7015 (W)
217.415.5513 (M)
217.698.9222 (F)

Be careful. Our experience with network ghost images is that it can
severely hit network performance. We have made it habit to disconnect
that network segment before doing this.



Scott

_____

From: Grabowski, David [mailto:david.grabowski@us.mizuho-sc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 1:52 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup



Expanding on that a bit, you don't necessarily even need a backup IDE
drive. Simply reboot the callmanager with a network-enabled ghost boot
disk and create a ghost image on a network share. No fussing with
hardware.



Chances are that any large shop's desktop/server people will already
have the infrastructure in place to support this.

-----Original Message-----
From: Wes Sisk [mailto:wsisk@cisco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:13 PM
To: Carter, Bill; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000
Backup

ghost to a backup IDE drive is your friend.

-----Original Message-----
From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net]On Behalf Of Carter, Bill
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM
To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows
2000 Backup

Has anyone tried using the Windows 2000 Backup utility
on Call Manager. I am planning a Call Manager upgrade and I am looking
for a faster "recover" method if the upgrade fails. The environment is
a single CallManager MCS-7825 with out a RAID drive to pull before the
upgrade.



Bill Carter
Senior Business Communications Analyst
Sentinel Technologies, Inc.
Cisco Systems IP Communications
Partner of the Year
bcarter@sentinel.com <mailto:bcarter@sentinel.com>
217.391.7015 (W)
217.415.5513 (M)
217.698.9222 (F)



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Oooh...I'd be excited to hear about any linux ports...
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On 6/9/2004 2:03 PM, Wes Sisk wrote:
> This is not currently possible because of the incremental updates performed by ES's, SR's, and even the maintenance releases. The underlying database for a 3.3(3) backup is very different from the underlying database for a 3.3(4) system.
>
> Thus, by allowing incremental updates for new features, we cannot allow the simple 1 step restore.
>
> Keep an ear out for a possible linux port of CCM that may include an active/backup partition setup that allows immediate recovery.
>
> /Wes
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carter, Bill [mailto:WCarter@sentinel.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:15 PM
> To: Wes Sisk; versatile@direct-support.com; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>
>
>
> Any future plans to change the backup options for Call Manager to provide a single of couple step process instead of manual restore of OS, CCM then CCM Backup utility restore?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wes Sisk [mailto:wsisk@cisco.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 1:14 PM
> To: versatile@direct-support.com; Carter, Bill; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>
> Keep in mind that if it's a cluster SQL replication and DCD replication will be broken after a ghost restore. ghost backup/restore is not really supported by Cisco, but it has worked well in the field.
>
>
>
> /Wes
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: J A Pine [mailto:versatile@direct-support.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:25 PM
> To: 'Wes Sisk'; 'Carter, Bill'; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>
> One of the engineers here has tried to recover from a backup, and has been unsuccessful to this day. He has tried 3 times and the configuration has never come up the same. I've never tried it myself, and am somewhat hesitant to try after hearing this. I would go with the Ghost image like Wes reccomended.
>
>
>
> Jesse
>
>
> From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Wes Sisk
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:13 AM
> To: Carter, Bill; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>
> ghost to a backup IDE drive is your friend.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net]On Behalf Of Carter, Bill
> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM
> To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>
> Has anyone tried using the Windows 2000 Backup utility on Call Manager. I am planning a Call Manager upgrade and I am looking for a faster "recover" method if the upgrade fails. The environment is a single CallManager MCS-7825 with out a RAID drive to pull before the upgrade.
>
>
>
> Bill Carter
> Senior Business Communications Analyst
> Sentinel Technologies, Inc.
> Cisco Systems IP Communications
> Partner of the Year
> <mailto:bcarter@sentinel.com> bcarter@sentinel.com
> 217.391.7015 (W)
> 217.415.5513 (M)
> 217.698.9222 (F)
>
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ditto that...

Anthony Mendoza wrote:

>
> Oooh...I'd be excited to hear about any linux ports...
> --
> Anthony Mendoza
> Senior Infrastructure Manager
> t: 650-298-5955
> c: 510-579-1909
> f: 650-701-2730
> e: amendoza@niku.com
>
>
> On 6/9/2004 2:03 PM, Wes Sisk wrote:
>
>> This is not currently possible because of the incremental updates
>> performed by ES's, SR's, and even the maintenance releases. The
>> underlying database for a 3.3(3) backup is very different from the
>> underlying database for a 3.3(4) system.
>>
>> Thus, by allowing incremental updates for new features, we cannot
>> allow the simple 1 step restore.
>> Keep an ear out for a possible linux port of CCM that may include an
>> active/backup partition setup that allows immediate recovery.
>>
>> /Wes
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Carter, Bill [mailto:WCarter@sentinel.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 2:15 PM
>> To: Wes Sisk; versatile@direct-support.com; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
>> Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>>
>>
>>
>> Any future plans to change the backup options for Call Manager to
>> provide a single of couple step process instead of manual restore of
>> OS, CCM then CCM Backup utility restore?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Wes Sisk [mailto:wsisk@cisco.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 1:14 PM
>> To: versatile@direct-support.com; Carter, Bill;
>> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
>> Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>>
>> Keep in mind that if it's a cluster SQL replication and DCD
>> replication will be broken after a ghost restore. ghost
>> backup/restore is not really supported by Cisco, but it has worked
>> well in the field.
>>
>>
>> /Wes
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: J A Pine [mailto:versatile@direct-support.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:25 PM
>> To: 'Wes Sisk'; 'Carter, Bill'; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
>> Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>>
>> One of the engineers here has tried to recover from a backup, and
>> has been unsuccessful to this day. He has tried 3 times and the
>> configuration has never come up the same. I've never tried it
>> myself, and am somewhat hesitant to try after hearing this. I would
>> go with the Ghost image like Wes reccomended.
>>
>>
>> Jesse
>>
>>
>> From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
>> [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Wes Sisk
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:13 AM
>> To: Carter, Bill; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
>> Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>>
>> ghost to a backup IDE drive is your friend.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
>> [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net]On Behalf Of Carter, Bill
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 12:05 PM
>> To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
>> Subject: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>>
>> Has anyone tried using the Windows 2000 Backup utility on Call
>> Manager. I am planning a Call Manager upgrade and I am looking for a
>> faster "recover" method if the upgrade fails. The environment is a
>> single CallManager MCS-7825 with out a RAID drive to pull before the
>> upgrade.
>>
>>
>> Bill Carter
>> Senior Business Communications Analyst
>> Sentinel Technologies, Inc.
>> Cisco Systems IP Communications
>> Partner of the Year
>> <mailto:bcarter@sentinel.com> bcarter@sentinel.com
>> 217.391.7015 (W)
>> 217.415.5513 (M)
>> 217.698.9222 (F)
>>
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Wes,

how should we understand "possible"?

Is there any timeline yet?

That would be the best news of the month!

Vincent


Keep an ear out for a possible linux port of CCM

/Wes

Hello!

Wes Sisk schrieb:
> Keep in mind that if it's a cluster SQL replication and DCD
> replication will be broken after a ghost restore. ghost backup/restore is
> not really supported by Cisco, but it has worked well in the field.

Why is this a problem with a cluster?


As far as I know, the HP ProLiant DL320 has a hardware IDE-RAID on board, and
therefor the MCS7825 should have it also.
Is it possible (and allowed from Cisco) to use this hardware Raid for cloning
the main disc before updates?

Best regards
Hauke Krull
--
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NetUSE AG
Dr.-Hell-Straße, D-24107 Kiel, Germany
Fon: +49 431 2390 400 -- Fax: +49 431 2390 499

Hi Hauke,

Replication becomes a problem because both DCD and SQL replication use a
form of transactional replication.

Background:
Pub and Sub agree at time T that the contents of both databases match.
Then, every change that takes place on the pub is copied to the distribution
database and stamped with a monotonically increasing number. Subscribers
connect to the distribution database and say "the last transaction I
received was X, please give me any new transactions". This "last
successfully replicated transaction identifier" is known as an LSN in SQL.

Application:
You have a pub/sub up and working. The LSN is X. You take the pub down and
ghost it. The ghost copy stores LSN X. You put the publisher back into
production. It replicates with the subscriber for a while so the LSN
becomes X+10. You decide to backout to the ghost image for some reason.
The ghosted pub comes back online with LSN=X. The subscriber attempts to
replicate and reports it last replicated LSN=X+10. SQL knows the
replication is now out of synch and stops replicating until you redo the
subscription (this copies a fresh snapshot of the database from pub to sub
and resets all LSNs).

/Wes


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hauke Krull [mailto:hk@netuse.de]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 6:23 AM
> To: Wes Sisk
> Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>
>
> Hello!
>
> Wes Sisk schrieb:
> > Keep in mind that if it's a cluster SQL replication and DCD
> > replication will be broken after a ghost restore. ghost
> backup/restore is
> > not really supported by Cisco, but it has worked well in the field.
>
> Why is this a problem with a cluster?
>
>
> As far as I know, the HP ProLiant DL320 has a hardware IDE-RAID
> on board, and
> therefor the MCS7825 should have it also.
> Is it possible (and allowed from Cisco) to use this hardware Raid
> for cloning
> the main disc before updates?
>
> Best regards
> Hauke Krull
> --
> Dipl.-Phys. Hauke Krull
> NetUSE AG
> Dr.-Hell-Straße, D-24107 Kiel, Germany
> Fon: +49 431 2390 400 -- Fax: +49 431 2390 499

Hello!

Thanks a lot for your detailed explanation!

Wes Sisk schrieb:
> Application:
> You have a pub/sub up and working. The LSN is X. You take the pub down and
> ghost it. The ghost copy stores LSN X. You put the publisher back into
> production. It replicates with the subscriber for a while so the LSN
> becomes X+10. You decide to backout to the ghost image for some reason.
> The ghosted pub comes back online with LSN=X. The subscriber attempts to
> replicate and reports it last replicated LSN=X+10. SQL knows the
> replication is now out of synch and stops replicating until you redo the
> subscription (this copies a fresh snapshot of the database from pub to sub
> and resets all LSNs).

Ok, so what about a combination of ghost an cisco backup utility:
Would it work to install the last backup over the reactivated ghost before
bringing the server online in the cluster?



And would you please comment on my second question?

> > As far as I know, the HP ProLiant DL320 has a hardware IDE-RAID
> > on board, and
> > therefor the MCS7825 should have it also.
> > Is it possible (and allowed from Cisco) to use this hardware Raid
> > for cloning
> > the main disc before updates?


Best regards
Hauke Krull
--
Dipl.-Phys. Hauke Krull
NetUSE AG
Dr.-Hell-Straße, D-24107 Kiel, Germany
Fon: +49 431 2390 400 -- Fax: +49 431 2390 499

Hauke,

Last I checked, the STIRestore process actually dropped and recreated the
subscriptions for you, so replication was restored.

The actual STIBackup does not backup the distribution database and therefore
does not backup the LSNs. It is bundled into STIRestore to connect to
subscribers and recreate the replication agreements. This is why we
encourage use of the Cisco provided backup utilities.

/Wes

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hauke Krull [mailto:hk@netuse.de]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 9:19 AM
> To: Wes Sisk
> Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>
>
> Hello!
>
> Thanks a lot for your detailed explanation!
>
> Wes Sisk schrieb:
> > Application:
> > You have a pub/sub up and working. The LSN is X. You take the
> pub down and
> > ghost it. The ghost copy stores LSN X. You put the publisher back into
> > production. It replicates with the subscriber for a while so the LSN
> > becomes X+10. You decide to backout to the ghost image for some reason.
> > The ghosted pub comes back online with LSN=X. The subscriber
> attempts to
> > replicate and reports it last replicated LSN=X+10. SQL knows the
> > replication is now out of synch and stops replicating until you redo the
> > subscription (this copies a fresh snapshot of the database from
> pub to sub
> > and resets all LSNs).
>
> Ok, so what about a combination of ghost an cisco backup utility:
> Would it work to install the last backup over the reactivated ghost before
> bringing the server online in the cluster?
>
>
>
> And would you please comment on my second question?
>
> > > As far as I know, the HP ProLiant DL320 has a hardware IDE-RAID
> > > on board, and
> > > therefor the MCS7825 should have it also.
> > > Is it possible (and allowed from Cisco) to use this hardware Raid
> > > for cloning
> > > the main disc before updates?
>
>
> Best regards
> Hauke Krull
> --
> Dipl.-Phys. Hauke Krull
> NetUSE AG
> Dr.-Hell-Straße, D-24107 Kiel, Germany
> Fon: +49 431 2390 400 -- Fax: +49 431 2390 499

Hello!

I'm sorry, but I don't understand your answer.
As far as I understand it you said that I should use the cisco backup utility.
OK, I want to use it but not on a freshly installed CCM.
Instead I want to use the Cisco Backup Utility to restore a saved config on a
(e.g. with a ghost programm) cloned CCM.

My question is:
Is this possible? Or isn't it possible to do a restore with a CCM which has
already data in its SQL and LDAP?


And my second question:
May I use the onboard hardware RAID of the HP ProLiant DL320 (and assumedly
the MCS7825) for doing the cloning instead of useing the ghost program?
Or may the activating of the RAID create problems for the CCM.

Thanks for your patience
Hauke Krull
--
Dipl.-Phys. Hauke Krull
NetUSE AG
Dr.-Hell-Straße, D-24107 Kiel, Germany
Fon: +49 431 2390 400 -- Fax: +49 431 2390 499

Hi Hauke,

Please refer to the beginning of this thread - Ghost backup is not currently
supported by Cisco.

STIRestore will restore a valid backup over a currently running server with
the same servername and IP address.

Hypothetically, it should work. In the lab it appears to work, just be
aware there may be some small things still 'off' after restoring an
STIBackup on top of a ghost restore. 'not supported' = not tested so we
cannot speak to short, medium, or long term consequences.

Regarding the onboard RAID controller of the 7825H, it does appear to be
there, but I have not located any Cisco provided documentation on its use.
Perhaps someone else on the list has more information?

/Wes


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hauke Krull [mailto:hk@netuse.de]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:35 AM
> To: Wes Sisk
> Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>
>
> Hello!
>
> I'm sorry, but I don't understand your answer.
> As far as I understand it you said that I should use the cisco
> backup utility.
> OK, I want to use it but not on a freshly installed CCM.
> Instead I want to use the Cisco Backup Utility to restore a saved
> config on a
> (e.g. with a ghost programm) cloned CCM.
>
> My question is:
> Is this possible? Or isn't it possible to do a restore with a CCM
> which has
> already data in its SQL and LDAP?
>
>
> And my second question:
> May I use the onboard hardware RAID of the HP ProLiant DL320 (and
> assumedly
> the MCS7825) for doing the cloning instead of useing the ghost program?
> Or may the activating of the RAID create problems for the CCM.
>
> Thanks for your patience
> Hauke Krull
> --
> Dipl.-Phys. Hauke Krull
> NetUSE AG
> Dr.-Hell-Straße, D-24107 Kiel, Germany
> Fon: +49 431 2390 400 -- Fax: +49 431 2390 499

Very good discussion Wes. Thanks

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Wes Sisk [mailto:wsisk@cisco.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 8:06 AM
To: hk@netuse.de
Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup

Hi Hauke,

Replication becomes a problem because both DCD and SQL replication use a
form of transactional replication.

Background:
Pub and Sub agree at time T that the contents of both databases match.
Then, every change that takes place on the pub is copied to the distribution
database and stamped with a monotonically increasing number. Subscribers
connect to the distribution database and say "the last transaction I
received was X, please give me any new transactions". This "last
successfully replicated transaction identifier" is known as an LSN in SQL.

Application:
You have a pub/sub up and working. The LSN is X. You take the pub down and
ghost it. The ghost copy stores LSN X. You put the publisher back into
production. It replicates with the subscriber for a while so the LSN
becomes X+10. You decide to backout to the ghost image for some reason.
The ghosted pub comes back online with LSN=X. The subscriber attempts to
replicate and reports it last replicated LSN=X+10. SQL knows the
replication is now out of synch and stops replicating until you redo the
subscription (this copies a fresh snapshot of the database from pub to sub
and resets all LSNs).

/Wes


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hauke Krull [mailto:hk@netuse.de]
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 6:23 AM
> To: Wes Sisk
> Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net
> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CallManager Backup using Windows 2000 Backup
>
>
> Hello!
>
> Wes Sisk schrieb:
> > Keep in mind that if it's a cluster SQL replication and DCD
> > replication will be broken after a ghost restore. ghost
> backup/restore is
> > not really supported by Cisco, but it has worked well in the field.
>
> Why is this a problem with a cluster?
>
>
> As far as I know, the HP ProLiant DL320 has a hardware IDE-RAID
> on board, and
> therefor the MCS7825 should have it also.
> Is it possible (and allowed from Cisco) to use this hardware Raid
> for cloning
> the main disc before updates?
>
> Best regards
> Hauke Krull
> --
> Dipl.-Phys. Hauke Krull
> NetUSE AG
> Dr.-Hell-Straße, D-24107 Kiel, Germany
> Fon: +49 431 2390 400 -- Fax: +49 431 2390 499

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