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Hi Iván,

It would appear to me that your IT department really wants to avoid using
anything other than the tools they've "standardise" on. This is usually
done in an attempt to keep hiring and training costs under control.

I think it's misguided, but it's going to be really hard to fight.

I've got some specific responses in-line.

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From: Iván Chavero
Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 10:04:54PM +0200
To: To users@lists.bricolagecms.org
Subject: Bricolage evaluation

> Hello,
>
> We're implementing bricolage for the chihuahua's state goverment website
> here in méxico and the IT people came up with the usual inquiries
> regarding the software.
> Instead of writing the justificacions by myself, this time, i want to
> try the community wisdom so i can be sure i won't miss any point.
> Here are the inquiries:
>
> - It's not pouplar and it's not very used
>
> this one i think is irrelevant since popularity does not imply quality
>
> - Yo have to know HTML
>
> Actually you don't, the desing is defined and there should be no
> need for the user to code HTML, and we can sanitize the stories on the
> templates
>
> - The progamming languages (perl and mason) and the DBMS (postgresql)
> are not currently in use by the it personal of the goverment

You're going to face a real fight here. IT departments don't like to add
new platforms to their catalogue. The good news is that Postgres
administration has been a lot easier since version 8.2 or so.


> - The operating system (Linux) is not currenty in use by the it personal

Well, there has to be a first, no? I suppose they're using windows now,
no?

Microsoft are pretty much on their last legs as evidenced by their trying
to sue their way back to profitability, so you'll have to switch eventually
anyway. If you lose on this point at least you have a valuable stock tip.


> - There are no Industry evaluations that qualify it

In fact I think the J. Boye group have evaluated it and it did pretty well.


> - They say that they've evaluated tools with better features and
> programming languages used by the goverment like: Alfresco, DotNetNuke,
> Open Text, etc...

It always depends on what you want to do. Alfresco is a portal server,
think of it as Free sharepoint. The others do what they do.


> - They claim websphere is better

That's not a CMS, it's an application server. It's like comparing apples
and oak trees.


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On 04/27/2011 02:04 PM, Iván Chavero wrote:
> Hello,
>
> We're implementing bricolage for the chihuahua's state goverment website
> here in méxico and the IT people came up with the usual inquiries
> regarding the software.
> Instead of writing the justificacions by myself, this time, i want to
> try the community wisdom so i can be sure i won't miss any point.
> Here are the inquiries:
>
> - It's not pouplar and it's not very used
>
> this one i think is irrelevant since popularity does not imply quality

See: http://bricolagecms.org/showcase/

>
> - Yo have to know HTML
>
> Actually you don't, the desing is defined and there should be no
> need for the user to code HTML, and we can sanitize the stories on the
> templates
>
> - The progamming languages (perl and mason) and the DBMS (postgresql)
> are not currently in use by the it personal of the goverment
>

The DBMS management is extremely minimal past initial installation.
Perl makes you stronger.

> - The operating system (Linux) is not currenty in use by the it personal
>

Really? Most of the travel, business, and tourist info sites for
Chihuahua use Linux servers. One can check using:

http://news.netcraft.com/

> - There are no Industry evaluations that qualify it
>

See references here (pre Bricolage 2.x):
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Bricolage_%28software%29

> - They say that they've evaluated tools with better features and
> programming languages used by the goverment like: Alfresco, DotNetNuke,
> Open Text, etc...
>
> - They claim websphere is better

Bricolage is a "Hybrid system":
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Web_content_management_system#Types

How much does websphere cost? Approach from a cost benefit, life cycle
cost etc. standpoint.

- cameron

On Apr 28, 2011, at 2:04 AM, Mark Jaroski wrote:

> Microsoft are pretty much on their last legs as evidenced by their trying
> to sue their way back to profitability, so you'll have to switch eventually
> anyway. If you lose on this point at least you have a valuable stock tip.

I'm sorry, I have to call BS on this. From yesterday:

> Microsoft Corp. today announced third-quarter revenue of $16.43 billion for the quarter ended Mar. 31, 2011, a 13% increase from the same period of the prior year. Operating income, net income, and diluted earnings per share for the quarter were $5.71 billion, $5.23 billion, and $0.61 per share, which represented increases of 10%, 31%, and 36%, respectively, when compared with the prior year period. Diluted earnings per share included a $0.05 tax benefit primarily related to an agreement with the U.S. Internal Revenue Service to settle a portion of their audit of tax years 2004 to 2006.

http://www.microsoft.com/investor/EarningsAndFinancials/Earnings/PressReleaseAndWebcast/FY11/Q3/default.aspx

Microsoft will be extremely profitable for many years to come.

Best,

David

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"David E. Wheeler" <david@kineticode.com> wrote:

On Apr 28, 2011, at 2:04 AM, Mark Jaroski wrote:

> Microsoft are pretty much on their last legs as evidenced by their trying
> to sue their way back to profitability, so you'll have to switch eventually
> anyway. If you lose on this point at least you have a valuable stock tip.

I'm sorry, I have to call BS on this. From yesterday:

> Microsoft Corp. today announced third-quarter revenue of $16.43 billion for the quarter ended Mar. 31, 2011, a 13% increase from the same period of the prior year. Operating income, net income, and diluted earnings per share for the quarter were $5.71 billion, $5.23 billion, and $0.61 per share, which represented increases of 10%, 31%, and 36%, respectively, when compared with the prior year period. Diluted earnings per share included a $0.05 tax benefit primarily related to an agreement with the U.S. Internal Revenue Service to settle a portion of their audit of tax years 2004 to 2006.

http://www.microsoft.com/investor/EarningsAndFinancials/Earnings/PressReleaseAndWebcast/FY11/Q3/default.aspx

Microsoft will be extremely profitable for many years to come.

Best,

David