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On Thu, 7 Sep 1995, Rob Hartill wrote:

> >From John_Landwehr@NeXT.COM Wed Sep 6 10:32:38 1995

> Can you provide me with licensing information for this? Keep in mind that
> WebObjects is a commercial product (will be sold for $$$).

Perhaps it would be beneficial to put the Apache license
verbage (that stuff that appears in the code) out on the
Web Site along with a more detailed "statement of purpose"
in which to frame this verbage.

As I am a newbie, here's a question: Why did this group
not simply adopt the Free Software Foundation's "copyleft"
verbage, as opposed to the current? My understanding of
that "license" is that it would have the effect you
intend (I THINK you intend): that "this product is built
with Apache. You can use it, modify it, and even sell
support and service for it, but you have to give away the
source."

(I am interested in the group's response as my company is
interested in moving our work from a "formerly public domain
server" to Apache. We want there to continue to be a
well-supported "free server" that supports our mods.)

dave
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| David Oliver dave@newshare.com |
| Managing Director-Technology Newshare Corporation |
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Anyone want to specialise in PR ?

> Hello,
>
> I am the product manager for WebObjects at NeXT Inc. If you are unfamiliar
> with our product, check out http://www.next.com/WebObjects/. The product is
> designed to allow people to build interactive websites quicker than ever
> before using the power of objects.

On Thu, 7 Sep 1995, John Landwehr wrote:
> Can you provide me with licensing information for this? Keep in mind that
> WebObjects is a commercial product (will be sold for $$$).

Well, as long as it's just for $$$, and not $$$$ or $$$$$, then I suppose
it's alright. +1!

Seriously, someone give 'em the scoop. I think when they see the API
they should go *ooooh, we don't need to do this in CGI anymore*.

Brian

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+1.

It looks like a NeXT only product... which would mean $$$$$$$$. I don't
see why not, as long the product, name, documents, and source code
are included.

BTW, their site is very very very boring.... looks like they designed it around
a 20" monitor....

<Aram>


At 08:36 PM 9/7/95 -0700, you wrote:
>On Thu, 7 Sep 1995, John Landwehr wrote:
>> Can you provide me with licensing information for this? Keep in mind that
>> WebObjects is a commercial product (will be sold for $$$).
>
>Well, as long as it's just for $$$, and not $$$$ or $$$$$, then I suppose
>it's alright. +1!
>
>Seriously, someone give 'em the scoop. I think when they see the API
>they should go *ooooh, we don't need to do this in CGI anymore*.
>
> Brian
>
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>brian@organic.com brian@hyperreal.com http://www.[hyperreal,organic].com/
>
>
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Apache httpd server team http://www.apache.org

David Oliver:
> > >From John_Landwehr@NeXT.COM Wed Sep 6 10:32:38 1995
>
> > Can you provide me with licensing information for this? Keep in mind that
> > WebObjects is a commercial product (will be sold for $$$).
>
> Perhaps it would be beneficial to put the Apache license
> verbage (that stuff that appears in the code) out on the
> Web Site along with a more detailed "statement of purpose"
> in which to frame this verbage.

This seems like a good idea. I'm chatting to some commercial people about
connecting one of their products to the Apache API, and I'm sure I'm not the
only person here doing that. Whilst it's vital to not deflect the present
aim to produce a good webserver, free of unnecessary constraints and kludges,
it'd also be wise to have documentation to hand which can assist commercial
operations in adapting the software to their needs.

> dave
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> | David Oliver dave@newshare.com |
> | Managing Director-Technology Newshare Corporation |
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+

Thoughts?
Ay.

Oooo, interest from a big company...

If anyone else wants to handle this, be my guest. If not what shall
I tell him ? - i guess the answer is "Please feel free to redistribute
Apache for free (you may charge for support), but please do not
redistribute it under any other name. There will be a new license text
attached to Apache in a week or two, it basically says the above, but
you should probably wait to read it."

anything else ?


Forwarded message:
> From John_Landwehr@NeXT.COM Mon Sep 18 20:25:11 1995
> Message-Id: <9509190324.AA14080@tinman.NeXT.COM>
> Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3risc v123)
> Content-Type: text/plain
> From: John Landwehr <John_Landwehr@NeXT.COM>
> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 95 20:24:28 -0700
> To: apache-bugs@mail.apache.org, root@apache.org
> Subject: Re: Apache HTTP Server Project
>
> Hello,
>
> I would like to talk to someone about licensing your Apache server.
>
> Please have the appropriate person contact me at:
>
> John Landwehr
> WebObjects Product Manager
> NeXT Inc.
> 415-780-2843
> john_landwehr@next.com
>
> Thank you.
>
>

>
> Oooo, interest from a big company...
>
> If anyone else wants to handle this, be my guest. If not what shall
> I tell him ? - i guess the answer is "Please feel free to redistribute
> Apache for free (you may charge for support), but please do not
> redistribute it under any other name. There will be a new license text
> attached to Apache in a week or two, it basically says the above, but
> you should probably wait to read it."
>
> anything else ?
>

Sounds like you've covered it. If this is something you don't
want to do, let me know and I will contact him.

[NeXT]

> > Oooo, interest from a big company...
> >
> > If anyone else wants to handle this, be my guest.

> Sounds like you've covered it. If this is something you don't
> want to do, let me know and I will contact him.

I'm offering the honour to whoever wants it. I thought it'd be good
experience for someone (anyone who wants) to talk on behalf of the
Apache project.

I'd like to see more of the people on the list participate in all aspects
of the project (this will guarantee continued success) as well as
make more people aware of the people involved.

Now, if nobody wants to talk to the NeXT guy, I'll be happy to.


rob
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> > From owner-new-httpd@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 19 18:15:50 1995
> > Resent-From: owner-new-httpd@hyperreal.com
> > Resent-Message-Id: <199509191715.SAA13922@epprod.elsevier.co.uk>
> > Old-Received: from taz.hyperreal.com by thrall.cs.cf.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id
> Uuuh, can you get me an account on hyperreal? Brain supposedly set one up
^^^^^

Thunderbirds are go ?

> If I hear nothing to the contrary ("Wait, I already mailed him") by tomorrow
> morning GMT then I'll send him some mail. It's likely that at least some
> of the conversation will be such that I can CC the list, but this is
> real life and the NeXTers might want to keep hush. Whatever, we'll cope.
>
> > rob
>
> Ay.

I have already sent him a reply.

> [NeXT]
>
> > > Oooo, interest from a big company...
> > >
> > > If anyone else wants to handle this, be my guest.
>
> > Sounds like you've covered it. If this is something you don't
> > want to do, let me know and I will contact him.
>
> I'm offering the honour to whoever wants it. I thought it'd be good
> experience for someone (anyone who wants) to talk on behalf of the
> Apache project.
>
> I'd like to see more of the people on the list participate in all aspects
> of the project (this will guarantee continued success) as well as
> make more people aware of the people involved.
>
> Now, if nobody wants to talk to the NeXT guy, I'll be happy to.

I would be happy to talk to the NeXT guy, and the next and the next. ;)
I have the suspicion though that my e-mail is being delayed by > 5hours by
the company sendmail so you may have already decided to do this yourself.

If I hear nothing to the contrary ("Wait, I already mailed him") by tomorrow
morning GMT then I'll send him some mail. It's likely that at least some
of the conversation will be such that I can CC the list, but this is
real life and the NeXTers might want to keep hush. Whatever, we'll cope.

> rob

Ay.

> From owner-new-httpd@hyperreal.com Tue Sep 19 18:15:50 1995
> Resent-From: owner-new-httpd@hyperreal.com
> Resent-Message-Id: <199509191715.SAA13922@epprod.elsevier.co.uk>
> Old-Received: from taz.hyperreal.com by thrall.cs.cf.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id

Uuuh, can you get me an account on hyperreal? Brain supposedly set one up
but I never connected and nay correspondence mentioning passwords and
stuff is lost.

lAyme.

Don't talk to me about computers. They suck. Amasterdam next week. NewYork in
November. Basket case by christmas.

> Randy:[NeXT]
> > I have already sent him a reply.
>
>
> Any chanse you can summarise your conversation to the list. We all need to
> be saying the same things to people. To avoid confusion.
>
> Cheers,
> Ay.
>

My reply was just a greeting. I'll keep the group posted.

My plan is really just to reiterate what Robh said yesterday, and
make the point that the Apache Group's concern is to get credit for
the code/binary that is being distributed by keeping the "copylicense"
intact.

Plus a free NeXT for all members of the group.... :-)

At 10:23 AM 9/20/95 BST, you wrote:
>Randy:[NeXT]
>> I have already sent him a reply.
>
>
>Any chanse you can summarise your conversation to the list. We all need to
>be saying the same things to people. To avoid confusion.
>

Two fixes, either turn on Xbit, or use the x-parse from srm.conf. That
basicly says it.
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http://www.qosina.com/~awm/, awm@qosina.com
Apache httpd server team http://www.apache.org

Randy:[NeXT]
> I have already sent him a reply.


Any chanse you can summarise your conversation to the list. We all need to
be saying the same things to people. To avoid confusion.

Cheers,
Ay.

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