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Justizin wrote:
> I hope you all curl up and die. I'm going to use TurboGears, since
> apparently noone in the Zope community will fucking talk to me
> anymore.

I'm sure you will be sorely missed ;-)

Seriously, you seemed like a well meaning, fairly clued up, if slightly
arrogant guy when you offered to help, but these tirades of abuse are
making you look like a clown - and I should know; Google can testify to
several of my own clownish tirades...

Justin, good luck with TurboGears, I hope none too many of your
customers stumble across your postings here...

Chris

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On 10/13/06, Chris Withers <chris@simplistix.co.uk> wrote:
> Justizin wrote:
> > I hope you all curl up and die. I'm going to use TurboGears, since
> > apparently noone in the Zope community will fucking talk to me
> > anymore.
>
> I'm sure you will be sorely missed ;-)
>
> Seriously, you seemed like a well meaning, fairly clued up, if slightly
> arrogant guy when you offered to help, but these tirades of abuse are
> making you look like a clown - and I should know; Google can testify to
> several of my own clownish tirades...

I am the one being abused here. I offered over 20 hours of my time as
a volunteer and in exchange my name has been drug through the mud.

FUCK YOU.

Arrogant? It's easy to call anyone arrogant who says:

"Please, trust me, I know what I'm talking about, we should be
careful to avoid a problem."

The fact is that you guys are continually accusing me of making a
mistake that was not really part of the problem. You want a
post-mortem? here it is:

http://justizin.blogspot.com/2006/10/zopeorg-dns-post-mortem.html

> Justin, good luck with TurboGears, I hope none too many of your
> customers stumble across your postings here...

My customers work with me because of my track record. They seek my
sort of help.

Heck, at my age, I could just go join a fucking band instead of
spending most of my time volunteering to work with open-source
software on behalf of non-profit foundations.

I'll probably show this discussion to some of my customers when they
ask me to rush on something. I am not afraid to be myself.

Whatever, dude. This is the most disgusting display I've ever seen to
someone who has volunteered to help with something complex.

You can all rot in hell and die. I hope my customers will see that,
while I went out of my way to help a community which we depend on, I
did not hang onto this responsibility so tightly that I will let their
projects fall on the floor.

In fact, I will talk to the Association for Computing Machinery IS
team about this entire incident as an example of a community who needs
our resources, but will never accept them.

--
Justizin, Independent Interactivity Architect
ACM SIGGRAPH SysMgr, Reporter
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ROFL!

On 10/13/06, Justizin <justizin@siggraph.org> wrote:
> Lennart Regebro said:
>
> "Say that a server fails one day per month in average (which is way
> more than we really will have). One backup server located on anotehr
> continent then means that we will statistically have DNS outage only
> one day in 900. Thats one day every three years. Two backups located
> on different continents will give us a failure rate of one day per
> 27000 days. That's one day every seventy-fifth year."
>
> WHAT!?!?
>
> The internet hasn't even been around for seventy five years, and sites
> are down all the time.
>
> shut
>
> the
>
> fuck
>
> up.
>
> I hope you all curl up and die. I'm going to use TurboGears, since
> apparently noone in the Zope community will fucking talk to me
> anymore.
>
> You are the most childish fucks I have ever worked with. Way to show
> a guy thanks.
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CPS Content Management http://www.nuxeo.org/
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Justizin wrote:
> Heck, at my age, I could just go join a fucking band instead of
> spending most of my time volunteering to work with open-source
> software on behalf of non-profit foundations.

http://www.bash.org/?14207

;-)

Chris

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--On 13. Oktober 2006 07:23:42 -0500 Justizin <justizin@siggraph.org> wrote:

> On 10/13/06, Chris Withers <chris@simplistix.co.uk> wrote:
>> Justizin wrote:
>> > I hope you all curl up and die. I'm going to use TurboGears, since
>> > apparently noone in the Zope community will fucking talk to me
>> > anymore.
>>
>> I'm sure you will be sorely missed ;-)
>>
>> Seriously, you seemed like a well meaning, fairly clued up, if slightly
>> arrogant guy when you offered to help, but these tirades of abuse are
>> making you look like a clown - and I should know; Google can testify to
>> several of my own clownish tirades...
>
> I am the one being abused here. I offered over 20 hours of my time as
> a volunteer and in exchange my name has been drug through the mud.
>
> FUCK YOU.
>
> Arrogant? It's easy to call anyone arrogant who says:
>
> "Please, trust me, I know what I'm talking about, we should be
> careful to avoid a problem."
>
> The fact is that you guys are continually accusing me of making a
> mistake that was not really part of the problem. You want a
> post-mortem? here it is:
>

If I would be rude, the following would come into my mind:

<http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=numpty>

But I am not rude.


>
>> Justin, good luck with TurboGears, I hope none too many of your
>> customers stumble across your postings here...

That's the right tool: toys for boys.

just-my-2-cents,
Andreas

| Seriously, you seemed like a well meaning, fairly clued up, if slightly
| arrogant guy when you offered to help, but these tirades of abuse are
| making you look like a clown - and I should know; Google can testify to
| several of my own clownish tirades...

Nice bit of reflection Chris - glad to see you have it in you :-)

| Justin, good luck with TurboGears, I hope none too many of your customers
| stumble across your postings here...

This is a pretty fun thread - I even went back and read through the whole
saga to follow the evolution, and not out of interest in DNS zone transfers.

The great thing about these flame-ups is that the stuff people post is most
likely going to be online and available FOREVER (modulo indignant cease &
desist letters sent to Alexa, Google, etc., threatening to sue them for
harassing you and damaging your business by archiving the things you said
that might damage your business if they were found).

And all this is only going to get easier to find. I can look up postings I
made and silly things I sent to newsgroups from 20 years ago. So your kids
(if any) will be able to read them. Your clients can read them. People who
might want to hire you can read them. When I've hired people to work with
full time, the first thing I do when I find a resume that looks like a
possible fit is to google the name and see how the person looks online from
a year ago, two years ago, five years ago, etc. Without meaning to be
personal, and certainly my own opinion doesn't matter at all here, I
wouldn't even consider hiring or contracting someone who posts in some of
the styles floating around here. My particular opinion of particular
individuals doesn't matter a damn, BUT the wider point is something that
may give you pause: you may be digging your own grave when you mercilessly
flame some clueless newbie or threaten lawsuits etc., potentially doing
yourself MUCH more damage (especially long-term) than anyone else in the
process.

My strategy has just been to change jobs, email addresses, and countries so
often that even my friends can't keep track of me anymore. The ultimate
camouflage though is the combination of the name Terry Jones and coding in
Python.

Anyway, I'm not trying to put the brakes on this show. It sure can be fun
to let it all hang out online. It's very entertaining, and we're getting it
all on tape for posterity.

Terry
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