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Chris Withers wrote:
> Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
>>
>>> > Damn. This really is very good. Would there be any problem with just
>>> > replacing the main_template and Products page on Zope.rog with this
>>> design?
>>> >
>>> I already proposed to setup his design as an alternative skin in
>>> zope.org for *testing* with the current content to Tom - he did not
>>> comment on that.
>>
>> Sounds good to me, what do I need to do? I'm happy to edit/create ZPT
>> as necessary.
>
> I think Michael already answered this below ;-)
>
>>> Nevertheless, even if we could use it as suggested, we'd need to make
>>> some changes (right column should be removed or replaced on
>>> non-Frontpage pages), styles should be defined along the current
>>> stylesheet, ...
>
> The tying in with existing styles will likely be the suckiest part. If
> you manage that, I think we all owe you beer! *grinz*
>
> Do you have the access rights you need to create a new zope.org skin?
>

Almost all work is adjusting the stylesheets...
I'd suggest we meet in IRC (#zope-web) and discuss next steps needed.

Michael

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On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 08:26 +0100, Chris Withers wrote:
> Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
> >> Why should it be on zope.org?
> >
> > Um, because it's useful information about Zope, which is sort of what
> > Zope.org is about?
>
> Well, I don't know if that _is_ what zope.org is about anymore. It's
> been so poor for so long that people have found or created other
> resources and those aren't going to go away even if zope.org did
> suddenly become magically better ;-)
Zope.org shouldn't have any designs to do such. Good projects which
have stepped up should be rewarded and encouraged.
>
> > "The Web Site for the Zope Community" (...who are
> > currently discussing Zope at various other places on the web). Thanks
> > for visiting. :)
>
> Well, point taken, but I really think zope.org should be a gateway to
> those existing resources. If, at a later stage, those resources want to
> migrate back to zope.org, then great, but until then, lets leave them be...
>
I agree, they should be positioned on zope.org as prominent resources.
Zope.org should be about what's in svn.zope.org and the technology.
Excellent docs, good introductory information (i.e. marketing speak) and
downloads for those products in svn.zope.org

All, IMNSHO,
Andrew
> cheers,
>
> Chris
>

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Chris Withers wrote:
> Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:
>>
>>> On the download page, Zope 2 should be above Zope 3.
>>
>> Really? I thought most people want to push Zope 3. Shouldn't the
>> latest release be listed first? I really don't care on way or the
>> other, just curious.
>
> Zope 2 is the more stable, tested release. I don't care what people want
> to "push", end users should get hinted towards the most stable release ;-)

"More stable" doesn't make any sense in this context. Zope 3.2 is a
stable release, just as much as Zope 2.9 is. "Stable" is hard to
measure. I *think* I know what you mean, but there are other definitions
of "stable" out there. So let's not get into this discussion.


My 2 cents:

* We have three products. Zope 2, the CMF, and Zope 3. They deserve
equal recognition as they have their own strengths.

* We have a lot of Zope-related *technology*, most of which comes in
fact from Zope 3 nowadays. This, not the products, should be the focus
of any "pushing". Zope technology is innovative, drives Python forward
and can be reused perfectly well outside Zope.

IMO all it takes is getting those two points across.

Philipp

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