Mailing List Archive: CMF -?-> Zope

CMF -?-> Zope

Jun 22, 2011, 9:48 PM

Post #1 of 7 (1939 views)

I am a straggler returning to Zope after years away from it. I come
from a time when to install a product into one's Zope one simply
untarred it into one's Products folder and restarted. Now I am looking
at easy_install, buildout, and the new mania for "eggs." Imagine my
discomfiture.

But never mind all that. I now have a running instance of Zope 2.12.10
installed in NetBSD 5.1. I want to install CMF into it, which used to
be one's first product chore (almost) since plone depended on it and I
was heading for a plone install, (and later on ran Silva for a couple
of years.) But I am here tonight to say, I am stumped.

How do get CMFCore into my zope instance "the right way?" Can someone
lay out the steps for me?

My python is: /usr/pkg/bin/python2.6

My Zope is at: /usr/local/src/Zope2-2.12.10

My instance is at: /usr/local/Zopeish

I have banged around with easy_install, which writes things into my
NetBSD /usr/pkg hierarchy, of which I very much disapprove. Buildout
seems always to want to build the original gazillion (not
complaining!) Zope packages every time I ry to use it.

So...glad to be back. Need help. Will write if I get work. Wish you were here.

nb. The running Zope instance is "live" on the net, so if one needs to
examine my ZMI I can provide URL and login. Just ask, please.

--
No no no, my fish's name is Eric, Eric the fish. He's an halibut. I am
not a looney! Why should I be tarred with the epithet looney merely
because I have a pet halibut?
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Re: CMF -?-> Zope [ In reply to ]

robert at redcor

Jun 23, 2011, 3:40 AM

Post #2 of 7 (1911 views)

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as root (or using virtualenv)
easy_install-2.6 -U ZopeSkel
then as user zope (or what ever)
paster create -t plone4_buildout NAMEOFNEWBUILDOUT
cd NAMEOFNEWBUILDOUT
python2.6 bootstrap
bin/buildout

and your new site is ready to start with
bin/instance fg

point your browser at localhost:8080/manage

install a new plone site ..

robert

On 23.06.2011 06:48, Eric d'Halibut wrote:
> I am a straggler returning to Zope after years away from it. I come
> from a time when to install a product into one's Zope one simply
> untarred it into one's Products folder and restarted. Now I am looking
> at easy_install, buildout, and the new mania for "eggs." Imagine my
> discomfiture.
>
> But never mind all that. I now have a running instance of Zope 2.12.10
> installed in NetBSD 5.1. I want to install CMF into it, which used to
> be one's first product chore (almost) since plone depended on it and I
> was heading for a plone install, (and later on ran Silva for a couple
> of years.) But I am here tonight to say, I am stumped.
>
> How do get CMFCore into my zope instance "the right way?" Can someone
> lay out the steps for me?
>
> My python is: /usr/pkg/bin/python2.6
>
> My Zope is at: /usr/local/src/Zope2-2.12.10
>
> My instance is at: /usr/local/Zopeish
>
> I have banged around with easy_install, which writes things into my
> NetBSD /usr/pkg hierarchy, of which I very much disapprove. Buildout
> seems always to want to build the original gazillion (not
> complaining!) Zope packages every time I ry to use it.
>
> So...glad to be back. Need help. Will write if I get work. Wish you were here.
>
> nb. The running Zope instance is "live" on the net, so if one needs to
> examine my ZMI I can provide URL and login. Just ask, please.
>
>

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Re: CMF -?-> Zope [ In reply to ]

eric.halibut at gmail

Jun 23, 2011, 7:14 AM

Post #3 of 7 (1907 views)

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On 6/23/11, robert rottermann <robert@redcor.ch> wrote:

> as root (or using virtualenv)
> easy_install-2.6 -U ZopeSkel
> then as user zope (or what ever)
> paster create -t plone4_buildout NAMEOFNEWBUILDOUT

This last command gives me a sternly-worded, and appearing, warning:

** *** NOTE: You probably don't want to use this template!

** Since Plone 3.1, the preferred way to get a buildout-based setup
** for Plone is to use the standard installer for your operating
** system (the Windows installer, the Mac installer, or the Unified
** Installer for Linux/Unix/BSD).

How big a deal is this, especially in view of me running said command
under the /home/ hierarchy where it's not going to -- I hope -- do
much systemic damage?

And what if someone wants simply to install Zope and the CMF, and not
yet make the leap to Plone?

It seems the "message" I am getting is 'all roads lead to Plone!'

Thanks,

--
No no no, my fish's name is Eric, Eric the fish. He's an halibut. I am
not a looney! Why should I be tarred with the epithet looney merely
because I have a pet halibut?
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Re: CMF -?-> Zope [ In reply to ]

tseaver at palladion

Jun 23, 2011, 7:43 AM

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On 06/23/2011 12:48 AM, Eric d'Halibut wrote:
> I am a straggler returning to Zope after years away from it. I come
> from a time when to install a product into one's Zope one simply
> untarred it into one's Products folder and restarted. Now I am looking
> at easy_install, buildout, and the new mania for "eggs." Imagine my
> discomfiture.
>
> But never mind all that. I now have a running instance of Zope 2.12.10
> installed in NetBSD 5.1. I want to install CMF into it, which used to
> be one's first product chore (almost) since plone depended on it and I
> was heading for a plone install, (and later on ran Silva for a couple
> of years.) But I am here tonight to say, I am stumped.
>
> How do get CMFCore into my zope instance "the right way?" Can someone
> lay out the steps for me?
>
> My python is: /usr/pkg/bin/python2.6
>
> My Zope is at: /usr/local/src/Zope2-2.12.10
>
> My instance is at: /usr/local/Zopeish

Unpack the CMFCore sdist tarball, e.g.:

$ cd /tmp
$ wget \

http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/P/Products.CMFCore/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4.tar.gz
$ cd /usr/local
$ sudo tar xzf /tmp/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4.tar.gz

and then add the unpacked directory to the 'products' section of your
instance's 'zope.conf', e.g.:

$ grep "^products" /usr/local/Zopeish/etc/zope.conf
products /usr/local/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4/

You can repeat the 'products' bit to add other products.

> I have banged around with easy_install, which writes things into my
> NetBSD /usr/pkg hierarchy, of which I very much disapprove.

I recommend using 'virtualenv', which gives you a "sandboxed"
environment for installing "non-system" packages.

> Buildout
> seems always to want to build the original gazillion (not
> complaining!) Zope packages every time I ry to use it.
>
> So...glad to be back. Need help. Will write if I get work. Wish you were here.
>
> nb. The running Zope instance is "live" on the net, so if one needs to
> examine my ZMI I can provide URL and login. Just ask, please.

Tres.
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Re: CMF -?-> Zope [ In reply to ]

robert at redcor

Jun 23, 2011, 10:31 AM

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On 23.06.2011 16:14, Eric d'Halibut wrote:
> On 6/23/11, robert rottermann<robert@redcor.ch> wrote:
>
>> as root (or using virtualenv)
>> easy_install-2.6 -U ZopeSkel
>> then as user zope (or what ever)
>> paster create -t plone4_buildout NAMEOFNEWBUILDOUT
> This last command gives me a sternly-worded, and appearing, warning:
>
> ** *** NOTE: You probably don't want to use this template!
the alternative would be to use an Installer.
which I never do and (maybe therefore) see not advantage in using over plain
buildout.

robert

> ** Since Plone 3.1, the preferred way to get a buildout-based setup
> ** for Plone is to use the standard installer for your operating
> ** system (the Windows installer, the Mac installer, or the Unified
> ** Installer for Linux/Unix/BSD).
>
> How big a deal is this, especially in view of me running said command
> under the /home/ hierarchy where it's not going to -- I hope -- do
> much systemic damage?
>
> And what if someone wants simply to install Zope and the CMF, and not
> yet make the leap to Plone?
>
> It seems the "message" I am getting is 'all roads lead to Plone!'
>
> Thanks,
>
>

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Re: CMF -?-> Zope [ In reply to ]

eric.halibut at gmail

Jun 23, 2011, 10:52 AM

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On 6/23/11, Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com> wrote:

> Unpack the CMFCore sdist tarball, e.g.:
>
> $ cd /tmp
> $ wget \
>
> http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/P/Products.CMFCore/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4.tar.gz
> $ cd /usr/local
> $ sudo tar xzf /tmp/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4.tar.gz
>
> and then add the unpacked directory to the 'products' section of your
> instance's 'zope.conf', e.g.:
>
> $ grep "^products" /usr/local/Zopeish/etc/zope.conf
> products /usr/local/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4/

No joy. Thanks. I am giving up on my NetBSD, and, when I get some time
later today, redo all this on a linux box.

--
No no no, my fish's name is Eric, Eric the fish. He's an halibut. I am
not a looney! Why should I be tarred with the epithet looney merely
because I have a pet halibut?
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Re: CMF -?-> Zope [ In reply to ]

tseaver at palladion

Jun 24, 2011, 8:33 AM

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On 06/23/2011 01:52 PM, Eric d'Halibut wrote:
> On 6/23/11, Tres Seaver <tseaver@palladion.com> wrote:
>
>> Unpack the CMFCore sdist tarball, e.g.:
>>
>> $ cd /tmp
>> $ wget \
>>
>> http://pypi.python.org/packages/source/P/Products.CMFCore/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4.tar.gz
>> $ cd /usr/local
>> $ sudo tar xzf /tmp/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4.tar.gz
>>
>> and then add the unpacked directory to the 'products' section of your
>> instance's 'zope.conf', e.g.:
>>
>> $ grep "^products" /usr/local/Zopeish/etc/zope.conf
>> products /usr/local/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4/
>
> No joy. Thanks. I am giving up on my NetBSD, and, when I get some time
> later today, redo all this on a linux box.

FTR, my original example was wrong. It should have been:

$ grep "^products" /usr/local/Zopeish/etc/zope.conf
products /usr/local/Products.CMFCore-2.2.4/Products/

and CMFCore requires that 'five.localsitemanager' be importable
(buildout and easy_install would have guaranteed that).

Tres.
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