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Le 05/09/2023 à 12:12, Amir Sarabadani a écrit :
> Hi,
> I think the email somehow didn't reach wikitech-l and some other
> mailing lists (except ambassadors)

The message did made it to wikitech-l:

https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/7XEMHHZZR4EF2JFKYBGZFKTSPUEPI6TW/

I only got it via [wikibots-l] though. I suspect it is an issue with
mailman which would prevent delivering the same messages multiple times
even if it is dispatched to different mailing lists.

There is a bug filed https://gitlab.com/mailman/mailman/-/issues/914
which looks awkwardly close to the issue:

/When a message is cross-posted and held on more than one list,
handling the held post on one list will delete the held message from
the message store. The held post is still in the held message view
on the other list(s) and viewing, rejecting or discarding the post
all behave reasonably, but accepting the post results in
urllib.error.HTTPError: HTTP Error 500: {"title": "500 Internal
Server Error"}
/

I have filed it as https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T345691 , then I
don't know anything about mailman, but it might be worth looking at the
server side logs./
/


Antoine "hashar" Musso
Wikimedia - Release Engineering

Hi All,

This is a gentle reminder to please join in the listening seasons happening
today and hosted by the technical decision making forum retrospective team.

These sessions will be held on Zoom and the details are below;

- Wednesday, September 13, 14:00 – 14:50 UTC - Meeting link
<https://wikimedia.zoom.us/j/86168780844>
- Wednesday, September 13, 20:00 – 20:50 UTC - Meeting link
<https://wikimedia.zoom.us/j/87222756755>

The sessions will be recorded and transcribed but will not be made public.
If you would like to give input on the general needs and perceptions about
decision making in our technical spaces, please come along.

Thank you.

Kind regards,
Temilola


On Tue, Sep 5, 2023 at 11:13 AM Amir Sarabadani <ladsgroup@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I think the email somehow didn't reach wikitech-l and some other mailing
> lists (except ambassadors)
>
> Am Mo., 4. Sept. 2023 um 15:46 Uhr schrieb Benoît Evellin (Trizek) <
> bevellin@wikimedia.org>:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>>
>> Sorry for cross-posting.
>>
>> The Technical Decision-Making Forum Retrospective
>> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_decision_making> team invites
>> you to join one of our “listening sessions” about the Wikimedia's technical
>> decision-making processes.
>>
>> We are running the listening sessions to provide a venue for people to
>> tell us about their experience, thoughts, and needs regarding the process
>> of making technical decisions across the Wikimedia technical spaces. This
>> complements the survey
>> <https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/885471?lang=en>, which
>> closed on August 7.
>>
>> Who should participate in the listening sessions?
>>
>> People who do technical work that relies on software maintained by the
>> Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) or affiliates. If you contribute code to
>> MediaWiki or extensions used by Wikimedia, or you maintain gadgets or tools
>> that rely on WMF infrastructure, and you want to tell us more than could be
>> expressed through the survey, the listening sessions are for you.
>>
>> How can I take part in a listening session?
>>
>> There will be four sessions on two days, to accommodate all time zones.
>> The two first sessions are scheduled:
>>
>> - Wednesday, September 13, 14:00 – 14:50 UTC
>> <https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1694613630>
>> - Wednesday, September 13, 20:00 – 20:50 UTC
>> <https://zonestamp.toolforge.org/1694635220>
>>
>>
>> The sessions will be held on the Zoom platform.
>>
>> If you want to participate, please sign up for the one you want to
>> attend: <
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_decision_making/Listening_Sessions>.
>> If none of the times work for you, please leave a message on the talk page.
>> It will help us schedule the two last sessions.
>>
>> The sessions will be held in English. If you want to participate but you
>> are not comfortable speaking English, please say so when signing up so that
>> we can provide interpretation services.
>>
>> The sessions will be recorded and transcribed so we can later go back and
>> extract all relevant information. The recordings and transcripts will not
>> be made public, except for anonymized summaries of the outcomes.
>>
>> What will the Retrospective Team do with the information?
>>
>> The retrospective team will collect the input provided through the
>> survey, the listening sessions and other means, and will publish an
>> anonymized summary that will help leadership make decisions about the
>> future of the process.
>>
>> In the listening sessions, we particularly hope to gather information on
>> the general needs and perceptions about decision-making in our technical
>> spaces. This will help us understand what kind of decisions happen in the
>> spaces, who is involved, who is impacted, and how to adjust our processes
>> accordingly.
>>
>> Are the listening sessions the best way to participate?
>>
>> The primary way for us to gather information about people’s needs and
>> wants with respect to technical decision making was the survey
>> <https://wikimediafoundation.limesurvey.net/885471?lang=en>. The
>> listening sessions are an important addition that provides a venue for free
>> form conversations, so we can learn about aspects that do not fit well with
>> the structure of the survey.
>>
>> In addition to the listening sessions and the survey, there are two more
>> ways to share your thoughts about technical decision making: You can post
>> on the talk page
>> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Technical_decision_making/Technical_Decision-Making_Process_Retrospective_and_Consultation_plan>,
>> or you can send an email to <tdf-retro-2023@lists.wikimedia.org>.
>>
>> Where can I find more information?
>>
>> There are several places where you can find more information about the
>> Technical Decision-Making Process Retrospective:
>>
>> -
>>
>> The original announcement about the retrospective from Tajh Taylor:
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org/thread/IF3OJARL4WYKJYQAS7NTP4FT72R626EG/
>> -
>>
>> The Technical Decision-Making Process general information page:
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_decision_making
>> -
>>
>> The Technical Decision-Making Process Retrospective page:
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Technical_decision_making/Technical_Decision-Making_Process_Retrospective_and_Consultation_plan
>> -
>>
>> The Phabricator ticket: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T333235
>>
>>
>> Who is running the technical decision making retrospective?
>>
>> The retrospective was initiated by Tajh Taylor. The core group running
>> the process consists of Moriel Schottlender (chair), Daniel Kinzler, Chris
>> Danis, Kosta Harlan, and Temilola Adeleye. You can contact us at <
>> tdf-retro-2023@lists.wikimedia.org>.
>>
>> Thank you for participating!
>>
>> --
>>
>> Benoît Evellin - Trizek (he/him)
>>
>> Community Relations Specialist
>> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/>
>>
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