Mailing List Archive: Unicode and polices

Unicode and polices

May 26, 2003, 7:21 PM

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--- Brion Vibber <brion@pobox.com> wrote:

Brion.

Aoineko suggested that it is my police which is wrong
and not my browser (err...browsers) in supporting
unicode. I understood from what you told me it was my
browser. I don't care I can't see international links,
but I do care when I can't read the content of
articles, or even the title of the articles.
So...perhaps I understood nothing, but do you think
Opera 5 is not accepting unicode because of missing
polices or does it just not tolerate it at all ?
Netcape 4.7 is not working either
Mozilla is better (I can see Lech Walesa), but still I
can't see the international links. IE is writing ?

Is that worth that I try to import some polices ?

Ant

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Re: Unicode and polices [ In reply to ]

brion at pobox

May 26, 2003, 7:46 PM

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Je Lundo 26 Majo 2003 19:21, Anthere skribis:
> Aoineko suggested that it is my police which is wrong
> and not my browser (err...browsers) in supporting
> unicode.
[snip]
> Is that worth that I try to import some polices ?

Hmm, I don't think the fonts should make a difference.

For a while at work I used a Mac running OS 9; with IE it would corrupt
unicode characters on meta-wikipedia when editing, but on the same
computer with Netscape 7 I could see them and edit pages without
corruption. The machine had the same set of fonts available either way,
so it seems to be just the browser.

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Re: Unicode and polices [ In reply to ]

gblanchard at arcsy

May 26, 2003, 8:32 PM

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> Brion.
>
> Aoineko suggested that it is my police which is wrong
> and not my browser (err...browsers) in supporting
> unicode. I understood from what you told me it was my
> browser. I don't care I can't see international links,
> but I do care when I can't read the content of
> articles, or even the title of the articles.
> So...perhaps I understood nothing, but do you think
> Opera 5 is not accepting unicode because of missing
> polices or does it just not tolerate it at all ?
> Netcape 4.7 is not working either
> Mozilla is better (I can see Lech Walesa), but still I
> can't see the international links. IE is writing ?
>
> Is that worth that I try to import some polices ?
>
> Ant

I think there are both problem. Even if your browser can handle unicode, you
can't see caracters not defined in your font. I'm using MS Arial Unicode
with IE6.0 and I still not be able to see 100% of unicode characters. In my
case I think it's only a font problem. You can go to this page and look at
what percentage of caracters you can see :
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/utf8.html (it's a UTF8 sample page).

Aoineko

Re: Unicode and polices [ In reply to ]

anthere6 at yahoo

May 27, 2003, 3:33 AM

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--- Guillaume Blanchard <gblanchard@arcsy.co.jp>
wrote:
> > Brion.
> >
> > Aoineko suggested that it is my police which is
> wrong
> > and not my browser (err...browsers) in supporting
> > unicode. I understood from what you told me it was
> my
> > browser. I don't care I can't see international
> links,
> > but I do care when I can't read the content of
> > articles, or even the title of the articles.
> > So...perhaps I understood nothing, but do you
> think
> > Opera 5 is not accepting unicode because of
> missing
> > polices or does it just not tolerate it at all ?
> > Netcape 4.7 is not working either
> > Mozilla is better (I can see Lech Walesa), but
> still I
> > can't see the international links. IE is writing ?
> >
> > Is that worth that I try to import some polices ?
> >
> > Ant
>
> I think there are both problem. Even if your browser
> can handle unicode, you
> can't see caracters not defined in your font. I'm
> using MS Arial Unicode
> with IE6.0 and I still not be able to see 100% of
> unicode characters. In my
> case I think it's only a font problem. You can go to
> this page and look at
> what percentage of caracters you can see :
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/utf8.html (it's a
> UTF8 sample page).
>
> Aoineko

Well, at the top, I see characters numbers 1, 2, 4 and
5; None of the others...
ok, I'll try your link

ant

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Re: Unicode and polices [ In reply to ]

lists at dramatic

May 28, 2003, 1:48 PM

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On Tue, 27 May 2003 12:32:19 +0900, Guillaume Blanchard
<gblanchard@arcsy.co.jp> gave utterance to the following:

<older attribution for the >> was snipped by Guillaume>
>> So...perhaps I understood nothing, but do you think
>> Opera 5 is not accepting unicode because of missing
>> polices or does it just not tolerate it at all ?

>
> I think there are both problem. Even if your browser can handle unicode,
> you
> can't see caracters not defined in your font. I'm using MS Arial Unicode
> with IE6.0 and I still not be able to see 100% of unicode characters. In
> my
> case I think it's only a font problem. You can go to this page and look
> at
> what percentage of caracters you can see :
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/utf8.html (it's a UTF8 sample page).
>
Opera 5 has no unicode support - Opera 6 was the unicode rewrite.
Both Opera (6+) and Mozilla support unicode natively - the only thing you
have to do to get it working is to install an appropriate font.
However, even if you have the font, IE doesn't display some writing systems
until you "install support" by downloading a large patch to your operating
system. (A fully multilingual installation of IE6 weighs in at around 85MB)

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