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Pierre Abbat wrote:
> Why is the German Wiki on Pacific, when the English one is on UTC? How is
> someone in Brazil or Australia supposed to answer the question, since
> southern DST is out of phase with northern?

Because Lee forgot to change the German message file to say UTC. :) I'll
fix it.

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

> Why is the German Wiki on Pacific, when the English one is on UTC?
> How is someone in Brazil or Australia supposed to answer the
> question, since southern DST is out of phase with northern?

There's only one server, and it's now on UTC. The /text/ of the
German wiki is incorrect, and just hasn't been updated (I think it's
correct in CVS, but since I'm not a German speaker I'll have to
rely on Magnus to confirm that).

lcrocker@nupedia.com wrote:
>>Why is the German Wiki on Pacific, when the English one is on UTC?
>>How is someone in Brazil or Australia supposed to answer the
>>question, since southern DST is out of phase with northern?
>
> There's only one server, and it's now on UTC. The /text/ of the
> German wiki is incorrect, and just hasn't been updated (I think it's
> correct in CVS, but since I'm not a German speaker I'll have to
> rely on Magnus to confirm that).

I updated the live server to the CVS version on the assumption that it's
more correct than it was previously. Also, I changed the server's time
zone config from UCT to UTC, so it spits out the more usual acronym in
the time for signatures, etc.

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

Whould it be too Germany-centristic to have the time field set to +2
(and +1 in Winter) by default (only in the de.wikipedia of course)? And
also for not logged-in users?

I guess more than 90% of the German language Wikipedia contributors are
from Germany, Austria or Swiss.


Kurt

On Sat, Sep 07, 2002 at 03:22:56PM +0200, Kurt Jansson wrote:
> Whould it be too Germany-centristic to have the time field set to +2
> (and +1 in Winter) by default (only in the de.wikipedia of course)? And
> also for not logged-in users?
>
> I guess more than 90% of the German language Wikipedia contributors are
> from Germany, Austria or Swiss.

Could you also do it for Polish Wikipedia ? (the same timezone)

Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
> On Sat, Sep 07, 2002 at 03:22:56PM +0200, Kurt Jansson wrote:
>>Whould it be too Germany-centristic to have the time field set to +2
>>(and +1 in Winter) by default (only in the de.wikipedia of course)? And
>>also for not logged-in users?
>>
>>I guess more than 90% of the German language Wikipedia contributors are
>>from Germany, Austria or Swiss.
>
> Could you also do it for Polish Wikipedia ? (the same timezone)

I don't see why not... is there summer time/daylight savings to deal
with, or is it just a straight UTC+1?

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

On Tue, Sep 10, 2002 at 11:10:53PM -0800, Brion VIBBER wrote:
> Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
> >On Sat, Sep 07, 2002 at 03:22:56PM +0200, Kurt Jansson wrote:
> >>Whould it be too Germany-centristic to have the time field set to +2
> >>(and +1 in Winter) by default (only in the de.wikipedia of course)? And
> >>also for not logged-in users?
> >>
> >>I guess more than 90% of the German language Wikipedia contributors are
> >>from Germany, Austria or Swiss.
> >
> >Could you also do it for Polish Wikipedia ? (the same timezone)
>
> I don't see why not... is there summer time/daylight savings to deal
> with, or is it just a straight UTC+1?

There is summer and winter time, and that's why server must deal with
it, as you can1't expect everyone to fix their preferences every few
months.

Most of Europe is +1/+2, even parts where this doesn't make much
sense (but compatibility is more important).

Afair only Portugal, UK, Ireland (+0/+1) on the West and Finland and former
USSR republics (+2/+3) on the East use different time than that.

Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:
> There is summer and winter time, and that's why server must deal with
> it, as you can1't expect everyone to fix their preferences every few
> months.

And they start and end when?

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)

Tomasz Wegrzanowski wrote:

>There is summer and winter time, and that's why server must deal with
>it, as you can1't expect everyone to fix their preferences every few
>months.
>
>Most of Europe is +1/+2, even parts where this doesn't make much
>sense (but compatibility is more important).
>
>Afair only Portugal, UK, Ireland (+0/+1) on the West and Finland and former
>USSR republics (+2/+3) on the East use different time than that.
>

And there are also locations where the difference between UTC and local
time is not clean houres but also 30 minutes.
For French Polynesia <http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Polynesia>
it is UTC - 9:30 Does the software support - 30 minutes ? I have no succes.
Not that i am from "French Polynesia" but i like to know. -- giskart

I've set the German wiki to consider the default timezone as Central
European (Summer) Time. That is, if you _don't_ set a timezone offset
(leave it blank) you see times in CEST. If you do set an offset, it's
still measured against UTC, so there should be no nasty surprises.

The four-tilde signature-with-time also shows according to this
site-wide default local time. (This can be set via $wgLocaltimezone in
LocalSettings.php)

Note that this does not affect the places in recentchanges list where
the date change is shown; this is a known bug that affects anyone with
offset not set to server time.

Giskart wrote:
> And there are also locations where the difference between UTC and local
> time is not clean houres but also 30 minutes.
> For French Polynesia <http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Polynesia>
> it is UTC - 9:30 Does the software support - 30 minutes ? I have no
> succes.
> Not that i am from "French Polynesia" but i like to know. -- giskart

Not yet, but I'll be sure and bang that in.

-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)