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Hi Anthere, sorry for the late reply since I have some daily job need to be
done. Also I just have some mail server issue with Yahoo so my last reply to
you is lost. I wish this one can make it to the mailing list. :(

OK, please see my reply as HT> below.

-----Original Message-----
From: foundation-l-bounces@wikimedia.org
[mailto:foundation-l-bounces at wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Anthere
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:03 AM
To: foundation-l at wikimedia.org
Subject: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2007

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I'd like to say thank you to Hsiang-Tai Chien for his civility and that I
hope we'll do a fabulous Wikimania 2007 in Taipei.
One of the specific request I will have (which is basically the same that
the one of the past two years) is that we try to find funds to help
wikipedians to come from all over the world. We need to start looking for
such funds as soon as possible. And make this event a bridge between
continents.

HT> Thanks, and personally I will join the discussion and the organization
for Wikimania 2007 in the mail lists; I will also participate in the Taipei
team more actively. Although we have a large amount of local sponsorships,
it would always be better if more funds on travel scholarships are
available. The Taipei team is also discussing sponsorship details with China
Airlines (flag carrier of ROC on Taiwan) for deeply discounted tickets.
China Airlines serves many cities in North America and Europe, including Los
Angeles, New York, San Francisco, Dallas, Houston, Seattle, Vancouver,
Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Rome, Vienna, and others. We will work closely with
the Foundation in the coordination of sponsorships.

----------

I'd like to ask HT if all the chinese wikimania core team could join the
wikimania mailing list, even though it may be that some of you discuss
issues in chinese only. It is important (imho) that at least some non
chinese be involved in the organisation, as it will greatly enrich the
process.

HT> Some of Taipei team members have already joined the Wikimania-l and
Wikimedia-l mailing lists. We did not participate much in the previous
discussions on Wikimania Taipei because there were too many emotional
comments and invalid questions, and the team was already very busy with the
preparation of the conference. We will ask more members to join the
Wikimania-l for serious discussions on the conference. We welcome any
non-Chinese people to join us and we would be very open for opinions and
ideas because Wikimania 2007 is not just an event for Taipei, but an event
for all Wikimedians over the world. We understand that the bidding result
might let some people feel down but we still sincerely welcome them to
provide constructive ideas for this event.

HT> We will start organizing the Wikimania 2007 page on meta soon, and use
it as a platform for relevant discussions. We have also registered domain
name wikimania.tw for use by Wikimania 2007.

Also, I would like that all core organisers provide a little bit more
information about them, and that the role of each be defined as much as
possible. This will help identify areas where help is missing. And this
will help us identify who the Foundation should be in touch with for
various issues (for example, the Foundation (Michael) MUST be in contact
with the budget person).

Ant

HT> Yes, I will provide a rough member list now:

Team leader: Theodoranian (meta:User:Theodoranian / wp:zh:User:Theodoranian)

Media and public relations: KJ (meta:User:KaurJmeb / wp:zh:User:KaurJmeb)
Sponsorship: KJ and Francis Huang (Academia Sinica, the national academy of
ROC on Taiwan)

English communications: Hsiang-Tai (meta:User:Htchien / wp:zh:User:Htchien),
Dodd (meta:User:Dodd / wp:zh:User:Dodd), and roc (meta:User:R.O.C /
wp:zh:User:R.O.C)

Website: Alex S. H. (meta:User:Alexsh / zh:User:Alexsh), LittleBTC
(meta:User:Littlebtc / zh:User:????B), and GLWu

Program: Theodoranian, Tsu-Chiang Liou (Academia Sinica), and KJ

For financial matters, we are still looking for the ideal person.

At the same time, we would like the Board appoint a contact person for us so
we can coordinate lots of matters with the Board.

Thanks and best regards,
H.T.



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Hi Anthere, sorry for the late reply since I have some daily job need to be done. Also I just have some mail server issue with Yahoo now so my last 2 posts are lost. I wish this one can make it to the mailing list. :(

OK, please see my reply as HT> below.

-----Original Message-----
From: foundation-l-bounces@wikimedia.org [mailto:foundation-l-bounces@wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Anthere
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:03 AM
To: foundation-l at wikimedia.org
Subject: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2007

----------

I'd like to say thank you to Hsiang-Tai Chien for his civility and that I hope we'll do a fabulous Wikimania 2007 in Taipei.
One of the specific request I will have (which is basically the same that the one of the past two years) is that we try to find funds to help wikipedians to come from all over the world. We need to start looking for such funds as soon as possible. And make this event a bridge between continents.

HT> Thanks, and personally I will join the discussion and the organization for Wikimania 2007 in the mail lists; I will also participate in the Taipei team more actively. Although we have a large amount of local sponsorships, it would always be better if more funds on travel scholarships are available. The Taipei team is also discussing sponsorship details with China Airlines (flag carrier of ROC on Taiwan) for deeply discounted tickets. China Airlines serves many cities in North America and Europe, including Los Angeles, New York, San Francisco, Dallas, Houston, Seattle, Vancouver, Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Rome, Vienna, and others. We will work closely with the Foundation in the coordination of sponsorships.

----------

I'd like to ask HT if all the chinese wikimania core team could join the wikimania mailing list, even though it may be that some of you discuss issues in chinese only. It is important (imho) that at least some non chinese be involved in the organisation, as it will greatly enrich the process.

HT> Some of Taipei team members have already joined the Wikimania-l and Wikimedia-l mailing lists. We did not participate much in the previous discussions on Wikimania Taipei because there were too many emotional comments and invalid questions, and the team was already very busy with the preparation of the conference. We will ask more members to join the Wikimania-l for serious discussions on the conference. We welcome any non-Chinese people to join us and we would be very open for opinions and ideas because Wikimania 2007 is not just an event for Taipei, but an event for all Wikimedians over the world. We understand that the bidding result might let some people feel down but we still sincerely welcome them to provide constructive ideas for this event.

HT> We will start organizing the Wikimania 2007 page on meta soon, and use it as a platform for relevant discussions. We have also registered domain name wikimania.tw for use by Wikimania 2007.

Also, I would like that all core organisers provide a little bit more information about them, and that the role of each be defined as much as possible. This will help identify areas where help is missing. And this will help us identify who the Foundation should be in touch with for various issues (for example, the Foundation (Michael) MUST be in contact with the budget person).

Ant

HT> Yes, I will provide a rough member list now:

Team leader: Theodoranian (meta:User:Theodoranian / wp:zh:User:Theodoranian)

Media and public relations: KJ (meta:User:KaurJmeb / wp:zh:User:KaurJmeb) Sponsorship: KJ and Francis Huang (Academia Sinica, the national academy of ROC on Taiwan)

English communications: Hsiang-Tai (meta:User:Htchien / wp:zh:User:Htchien), Dodd (meta:User:Dodd / wp:zh:User:Dodd), and roc (meta:User:R.O.C / wp:zh:User:R.O.C)

Website: Alex S. H. (meta:User:Alexsh / zh:User:Alexsh), LittleBTC (meta:User:Littlebtc / zh:User:????B), and GLWu

Program: Theodoranian, Tzu-Chiang Liou (Academia Sinica), and KJ

For financial matters, we are still looking for the ideal person.

At the same time, we would like the Board appoint a contact person for us so we can coordinate lots of matters with the Board.

Thanks and best regards,
H.T.
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???? Wikimania2007?????? ;)

On 10/4/06, Hsiang-Tai Chien <htchien1225 at yahoo.com.tw> wrote:

> Team leader: Theodoranian (meta:User:Theodoranian / wp:zh:User:Theodoranian)
>
> Media and public relations: KJ (meta:User:KaurJmeb / wp:zh:User:KaurJmeb)
> Sponsorship: KJ and Francis Huang (Academia Sinica, the national academy of
> ROC on Taiwan)
>
> English communications: Hsiang-Tai (meta:User:Htchien / wp:zh:User:Htchien),
> Dodd (meta:User:Dodd / wp:zh:User:Dodd), and roc (meta:User:R.O.C /
> wp:zh:User:R.O.C)
>
> Website: Alex S. H. (meta:User:Alexsh / zh:User:Alexsh), LittleBTC
> (meta:User:Littlebtc / zh:User:????B), and GLWu

As communications/website, would you like to consider my previous
proposal on wikimania-l/foundation-l?
Message-ID: <35be2a710610040421j5e718663v9ae4eda7ff4aa931 at mail.gmail.com>

My points are basically three:
- It will be more efficient Chinese team has at least one person who
coordinates translation from Chinese to other languages.
- I repeat here "other languages", not only English. For accuracy as
much as possible, it is ideal those who speak either Chinese or target
language as their mother tongue will engage translations, and I know
Chinese community is enriched with such zh-non en translators.
- Mainly managing copyediting and proofreading, it would be nice other
language translators will also be involved.

And I am glad to add, Transcom is ready to support the coordinator of
'mania 2007. People who will engage multilingual communications of
this conference would feel convinient at translators-l.

Questions:
- what do you mean with "English communications"?
- who will care for internal/domestic communications? One collorary:
do you think now we will need Taiwanese / Hakka / Cantonese pages on
the website for PR?

Cheers,
--
Kizu Naoko
Wikiquote: http://wikiquote.org
* vox populi, vox dei *

Hi Aphaia san,

???????????????????????????????????????

I have read your posts in both Wikimedia-l and Wikimania-l and I'm glad that you (and others in
Transcom) would like to help on translation issues. Yes I agree it would be good if there is at
least one person can coordinate on translation and we do see the needs for this kind of person
because we already have some queries from Italy to say they also would like to help on translation
and interpreting between EN and IT. And I think the coordinator is not necessary to be an Chinese
(or Taiwanese). I will discuss with the team on this issue and will let you (and others) get
noticed.

Now the questions.

When I send the reply I thought the communication in the organization for Wikimania between the
Foundation and us is mainly in English, but I think now we should also consider other languages as
well. For now I and ROC (meta:User:R.O.C, zh:wp:User:R.O.C) will be charge in communications.

In my opinion to have Chinese / Taiwanese / Hakka / Cantonese pages on the website is OK. However
the website is still not online now, maybe we can have some further discussions after the page is
been created on the server.

Thanks again for your help and, we still wish to know if there's any speaker from Japan you can
suggest. ??????????????????

Best regards,
H.T.

-----Original Message-----
From: wikimania-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org [mailto:wikimania-l-bounces@Wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of
Aphaia
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 4:00 PM
To: Wikimania general list (open subscription)
Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2007

????????????????????? Wikimania2007??????????????????????????? ;)

As communications/website, would you like to consider my previous proposal on
wikimania-l/foundation-l?
Message-ID: <35be2a710610040421j5e718663v9ae4eda7ff4aa931 at mail.gmail.com>

My points are basically three:
- It will be more efficient Chinese team has at least one person who coordinates translation from
Chinese to other languages.
- I repeat here "other languages", not only English. For accuracy as much as possible, it is ideal
those who speak either Chinese or target language as their mother tongue will engage translations,
and I know Chinese community is enriched with such zh-non en translators.
- Mainly managing copyediting and proofreading, it would be nice other language translators will
also be involved.

And I am glad to add, Transcom is ready to support the coordinator of 'mania 2007. People who will
engage multilingual communications of this conference would feel convinient at translators-l.

Questions:
- what do you mean with "English communications"?
- who will care for internal/domestic communications? One collorary:
do you think now we will need Taiwanese / Hakka / Cantonese pages on the website for PR?

Cheers,
--
Kizu Naoko
Wikiquote: http://wikiquote.org
* vox populi, vox dei *
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Wikimania-l at Wikipedia.org
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Hi Hsiang-Tai, thank you for your mail.

On 10/7/06, Hsiang-Tai Chien <htchien1225 at yahoo.com.tw> wrote:
> Hi Aphaia san,

[removed]
Hm, google doesn't prefer we communicating in our own languages ;(
# hence garbled parts removed

> I have read your posts in both Wikimedia-l and Wikimania-l and I'm glad that you (and others in
> Transcom) would like to help on translation issues. Yes I agree it would be good if there is at
> least one person can coordinate on translation and we do see the needs for this kind of person
> because we already have some queries from Italy to say they also would like to help on translation
> and interpreting between EN and IT.

Great!
We are better now to set up "translators & coordinators" page?

> And I think the coordinator is not necessary to be an Chinese (or Taiwanese). I will discuss with the team on this issue and will let you (and others) get
noticed.

Thank you for your consideration!

> Now the questions.
>
> When I send the reply I thought the communication in the organization for Wikimania between the
> Foundation and us is mainly in English, but I think now we should also consider other languages as
> well. For now I and ROC (meta:User:R.O.C, zh:wp:User:R.O.C) will be charge in communications.

It means you two will care for translation in general as coordinators?
If someone would like to discuss about translation, he or she is
recommended to mail both of you? Communications are a bit broader idea
than mere press contact a/o translation coordination.

One relevant question; I am a bit curious why names of people who
helped past Wikimanias' translation into Chinese didn't appear on your
list. Are there any inconvinience for their involvement? (One
possible answer I can guess is they are now blocked from editing; one
editor I recall is in the Mainland).

> Thanks again for your help and, we still wish to know if there's any speaker from Japan you can
> suggest.

Ahem, I am afraid I misunderstood the request; I supposed you or the
programm team (I can be included though) first think who Wikimania
2007 would like to have and then I assign the list we are going to
contact. Would you like me to suggest names?

I think perhaps we will do better works if we are working
collaborative. Would you like me to invite Japanese project editors to
submit their ideas? (Perhaps via wikija-l)

Last question: the dates of the conference are fixed already?

Cheers,
--
Kizu Naoko
Wikiquote: http://wikiquote.org
* Nessuna poesia prima di noi *

On 10/4/06, Hsiang-Tai Chien <htchien1225 at yahoo.com.tw> wrote:

> Yes, I will provide a rough member list now:
>
> Team leader: Theodoranian (meta:User:Theodoranian / wp:zh:User:Theodoranian)
>
> Media and public relations: KJ (meta:User:KaurJmeb / wp:zh:User:KaurJmeb)
> Sponsorship: KJ and Francis Huang (Academia Sinica, the national academy of
> ROC on Taiwan)
>
> English communications: Hsiang-Tai (meta:User:Htchien / wp:zh:User:Htchien),
> Dodd (meta:User:Dodd / wp:zh:User:Dodd), and roc (meta:User:R.O.C /
> wp:zh:User:R.O.C)
>
> Website: Alex S. H. (meta:User:Alexsh / zh:User:Alexsh), LittleBTC
> (meta:User:Littlebtc / zh:User:????B), and GLWu
>
> Program: Theodoranian, Tsu-Chiang Liou (Academia Sinica), and KJ
>
> For financial matters, we are still looking for the ideal person.

Now examining this list (since I would like to remind with whom I
would work with), a question arose me. There are several sub-teams and
several people would work in a subteam.

All of them at a certain sub-team are equal? Or they have a chair or
contact? If other people would like to say something to a certain
team, is it okay to contact anyone in that team or recommended to
contact a certain person? And how? On wiki or email? Specially if
someone is on a wikibreak (incredible? Beh, it can happen and really
happened ...)

It isn't a problem at all for now but could be a critical issue in the
last minutes when all involved people are crazy busy.

> At the same time, we would like the Board appoint a contact person for us so
> we can coordinate lots of matters with the Board.

The Board would be okay with HT, I suppose (for your information, he
joined Communications committeee mailinglist as Wikimania liaison)
... or not?

Cheers,
--
Kizu Naoko
Wikiquote: http://wikiquote.org
* Nessuna poesia prima di noi *

Hi Aphaia san, sorry for the late reply.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikimania-l-bounces at Wikipedia.org
> [mailto:wikimania-l-bounces at Wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Aphaia
> Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2006 12:37 AM
> To: Wikimania general list (open subscription)
> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2007
>
> Hi Hsiang-Tai, thank you for your mail.
>
> On 10/7/06, Hsiang-Tai Chien <htchien1225 at yahoo.com.tw> wrote:
> > Hi Aphaia san,
>
> [removed]
> Hm, google doesn't prefer we communicating in our own
> languages ;( # hence garbled parts removed

What I wrote in the previous mail is: "hajimemashite kandesu douzo
yoroshiku". :)

> > I have read your posts in both Wikimedia-l and Wikimania-l and I'm
> > glad that you (and others in
> > Transcom) would like to help on translation issues. Yes I agree it
> > would be good if there is at least one person can coordinate on
> > translation and we do see the needs for this kind of person
> because we
> > already have some queries from Italy to say they also would
> like to help on translation and interpreting between EN and IT.
>
> Great!
> We are better now to set up "translators & coordinators" page?

Yes, we can have that page on the WM07 website. WM07 website is not been
created and I believe the page for translators will be set up soon.

> > Now the questions.
> >
> > When I send the reply I thought the communication in the
> organization
> > for Wikimania between the Foundation and us is mainly in
> English, but
> > I think now we should also consider other languages as
> well. For now I and ROC (meta:User:R.O.C, zh:wp:User:R.O.C)
> will be charge in communications.
>
> It means you two will care for translation in general as coordinators?
> If someone would like to discuss about translation, he or she
> is recommended to mail both of you? Communications are a bit
> broader idea than mere press contact a/o translation coordination.

Yes, Thodoranian had appointed me to be the coordinators for translations
last week, so if anyone wish to discuss about translation, he/she can e-mail
to me directly.

Francis Huang, who is in the list I provided earlier, will be the local
press contact person. For international press contact, people can contact
the Taipei team through me. This is because not all members in the Taipei
team are familiar with foreign languages and I can help to translate the
messages to the members.

> One relevant question; I am a bit curious why names of people
> who helped past Wikimanias' translation into Chinese didn't
> appear on your list. Are there any inconvinience for their
> involvement? (One possible answer I can guess is they are
> now blocked from editing; one editor I recall is in the Mainland).

The blocking is one of the reasons. However, now the blocking is been lifted
so I guess some of them might be able to help. We will welcome anyone who
wish to help to join us.

> > Thanks again for your help and, we still wish to know if
> there's any
> > speaker from Japan you can suggest.
>
> Ahem, I am afraid I misunderstood the request; I supposed you
> or the programm team (I can be included though) first think
> who Wikimania
> 2007 would like to have and then I assign the list we are
> going to contact. Would you like me to suggest names?

Yes, the program should be discussed first, and we welcome you to join the
program team. I believe someone in the program team will contact you before
the meeting is going to be hold.

> I think perhaps we will do better works if we are working
> collaborative. Would you like me to invite Japanese project
> editors to submit their ideas? (Perhaps via wikija-l)

That would be great. I think you can provide your ideas once the related
WM07 pages are been set up.

> Last question: the dates of the conference are fixed already?

Hacking days conference for WM07 is been set from 8/1 to 8/2, and the WM07
conference is been set from 8/3 to 8/5.

Best regards,
H.T.



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Hi H.T.,

Can you let the list know where the WM07 website is located? Also, you
may want to make a more general announcement about dates (such as to
this list and foundation-l), if these are now set.

best,
Phoebe

On 10/19/06, Hsiang-Tai Chien <htchien1225 at yahoo.com.tw> wrote:
> Hi Aphaia san, sorry for the late reply.

> Yes, we can have that page on the WM07 website. WM07 website is not been
> created and I believe the page for translators will be set up soon.

> Hacking days conference for WM07 is been set from 8/1 to 8/2, and the WM07
> conference is been set from 8/3 to 8/5.
>
> Best regards,
> H.T.

This one? -> http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org

On 10/20/06, phoebe ayers <brassratgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi H.T.,
>
> Can you let the list know where the WM07 website is located? Also, you
> may want to make a more general announcement about dates (such as to
> this list and foundation-l), if these are now set.
>
> best,
> Phoebe
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Tel: +852 95825791

Yes, it is. Thanks.

We will add some information to the pages in a few days.

H.T.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: wikimania-l-bounces at Wikipedia.org
> [mailto:wikimania-l-bounces at Wikipedia.org] On Behalf Of Lawrence Lo
> Sent: Friday, October 20, 2006 1:45 AM
> To: Wikimania general list (open subscription)
> Subject: Re: [Wikimania-l] [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2007
>
> This one? -> http://wikimania2007.wikimedia.org
>
> On 10/20/06, phoebe ayers <brassratgirl at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi H.T.,
> >
> > Can you let the list know where the WM07 website is
> located? Also, you
> > may want to make a more general announcement about dates
> (such as to
> > this list and foundation-l), if these are now set.
> >
> > best,
> > Phoebe
> --
> http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lorenzarius
> Tel: +852 95825791
> _______________________________________________
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> Wikimania-l at Wikipedia.org
> http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimania-l
>
>



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phoebe ayers wrote:

>Hi H.T.,
>
>Can you let the list know where the WM07 website is located? Also, you
>may want to make a more general announcement about dates (such as to
>this list and foundation-l), if these are now set.
>
>best,
>Phoebe
>
>On 10/19/06, Hsiang-Tai Chien <htchien1225 at yahoo.com.tw> wrote:
>
>
>>Hi Aphaia san, sorry for the late reply.
>>
>>
>>Yes, we can have that page on the WM07 website. WM07 website is not been
>>created and I believe the page for translators will be set up soon.
>>
>>
>>Hacking days conference for WM07 is been set from 8/1 to 8/2, and the WM07
>>conference is been set from 8/3 to 8/5.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>H.T.
>>
Seeing that the dates have been set, I would like to point to our
discussions in Cambridge about having sessions about the future of
Wikimedia. Some of us who aren't techie enough to be interested in
hacking days might like to spend some intense time about governance, and
a lot of related matters. A lot of what goes on in the main body of the
conference also involves a lot of non-wikipedians.

By raising the matter at this early stage it should make it easier to
adjust the schedule to allow for this sort of thing.

Ec

Hi,

> -----Original Message-----
> Seeing that the dates have been set, I would like to point to
> our discussions in Cambridge about having sessions about the
> future of Wikimedia. Some of us who aren't techie enough to
> be interested in hacking days might like to spend some
> intense time about governance, and a lot of related matters.
> A lot of what goes on in the main body of the conference also
> involves a lot of non-wikipedians.
>
> By raising the matter at this early stage it should make it
> easier to adjust the schedule to allow for this sort of thing.
>
> Ec

Yes, we will take these into consideration in the program committee. Thanks
for your suggestion.

H.T.



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