could there be message box that asks a simple question like "thank you for
the contribution, where did you get this information from?" with a text
field, it just adds it to the edit description. so something is captured in
the edit history.
On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 at 10:25, effe iets anders <effeietsanders@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thanks Benoit,
> This sounds like a good step in the right direction. We'll need to try out
> several of these approaches, but also improve our own documentation on
> nl.wikipedia. My impression is that it is currently far too hard to add a
> reference, to expect that this is done by most new contributors.
>
> Do we know more about:
> * How many new contributors know they should add a reference, e.g. when
> writing a new article
> * If they know that they should add a reference, how many know how to
> recognize a good reference from a poor one
> * How many new contributors, if they know that they should add a
> reference, can figure out how to actually make this happen (assuming they
> know the url already)
> * Assuming that they can find the reference button, and know their URL, in
> how many cases does the auto-convert feature work? (we could test this by
> taking a random sample of reference URLs, and entering them in the
> reference insertion tool)
>
> These are not just technical problems - some of them are more about
> awareness (we can focus for example a little less on copyright, and more on
> other quality aspects) or good documentation (how to recognize a good
> source?). I also suspect that these numbers might vary quite a bit across
> communities/countries.
>
> In my personal experience, it is hard to add references to articles even
> if all the 'social' steps work smoothly (they often dont!). Maybe my sample
> is biased, but it feels like I get much more often an error in nlwiki when
> I try to convert a url to a citation, than in enwiki. Does anyone know if
> this is indeed the case? Is anyone tracking statistics on this?
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 4:03?PM <bevellin@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> Some wikis have added the requirement to add citations at the edit
>> summary step. But it is clearly too late in the process, as users just want
>> to publish. Some users will add citations as a second step, but it might be
>> too late, as the edit has a great chance of being reverted meanwhile.
>>
>> You might be interested in the Editing team's current project, Edit check
>> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Edit_check>.
>>
>> This project aims to provide in-context help by checking on the edit. The
>> first iteration is "Reference Check": if a user adds a paragraph with zero
>> source, they are encouraged to add one. We are currently testing it at 22
>> Wikipedias, to verify if the prompt to add citations is not blocking users.
>>
>> You can test it at your wiki using an URL parameter:
>> 1. Edit any article in the main namespace using the VisualEditor.
>> 2. Add &ecenable=1 to the URL in your browser. -- For example in Dutch,
>> as Romaine started the thread:
>> https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zon&veaction=edit&ecenable=1
>> 3. Reload the page with the new URL.
>> 4. Create a new paragraph, that is at least 50 characters long without
>> adding a citation
>> 5. Press the Publish… Notice the prompt that appears
>> 6. Test is completed, don't save your edit unless you know what you are
>> doing.
>>
>> All edits are tagged, so that you can find them in Recent Changes or in
>> your Watchlist. If a user selects "no" after the prompt, they have to
>> select a reason why. That reason is tagged as well, easing experienced
>> users' work on patrolling and improving these edits.
>>
>> We will soon add a message if the added citation is listed on
>> MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist or MediaWiki:BlockedExternalDomains.json.
>>
>> As Edit Check only checks the first paragraph added, the next iteration
>> will be to add multi-Reference checks. We are currently working on the
>> design for multi-checks.
>>
>> Of course, Edit Check is not limited to adding citations. We can imagine
>> other ways to close the tap. Your suggestions are welcomed, as are your
>> questions.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> --
>> Benoît Evellin - Trizek_(WMF) (he/him)
>> Community Relations Specialist
>> Wikimedia Foundation
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the contribution, where did you get this information from?" with a text
field, it just adds it to the edit description. so something is captured in
the edit history.
On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 at 10:25, effe iets anders <effeietsanders@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Thanks Benoit,
> This sounds like a good step in the right direction. We'll need to try out
> several of these approaches, but also improve our own documentation on
> nl.wikipedia. My impression is that it is currently far too hard to add a
> reference, to expect that this is done by most new contributors.
>
> Do we know more about:
> * How many new contributors know they should add a reference, e.g. when
> writing a new article
> * If they know that they should add a reference, how many know how to
> recognize a good reference from a poor one
> * How many new contributors, if they know that they should add a
> reference, can figure out how to actually make this happen (assuming they
> know the url already)
> * Assuming that they can find the reference button, and know their URL, in
> how many cases does the auto-convert feature work? (we could test this by
> taking a random sample of reference URLs, and entering them in the
> reference insertion tool)
>
> These are not just technical problems - some of them are more about
> awareness (we can focus for example a little less on copyright, and more on
> other quality aspects) or good documentation (how to recognize a good
> source?). I also suspect that these numbers might vary quite a bit across
> communities/countries.
>
> In my personal experience, it is hard to add references to articles even
> if all the 'social' steps work smoothly (they often dont!). Maybe my sample
> is biased, but it feels like I get much more often an error in nlwiki when
> I try to convert a url to a citation, than in enwiki. Does anyone know if
> this is indeed the case? Is anyone tracking statistics on this?
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2024 at 4:03?PM <bevellin@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> Some wikis have added the requirement to add citations at the edit
>> summary step. But it is clearly too late in the process, as users just want
>> to publish. Some users will add citations as a second step, but it might be
>> too late, as the edit has a great chance of being reverted meanwhile.
>>
>> You might be interested in the Editing team's current project, Edit check
>> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Edit_check>.
>>
>> This project aims to provide in-context help by checking on the edit. The
>> first iteration is "Reference Check": if a user adds a paragraph with zero
>> source, they are encouraged to add one. We are currently testing it at 22
>> Wikipedias, to verify if the prompt to add citations is not blocking users.
>>
>> You can test it at your wiki using an URL parameter:
>> 1. Edit any article in the main namespace using the VisualEditor.
>> 2. Add &ecenable=1 to the URL in your browser. -- For example in Dutch,
>> as Romaine started the thread:
>> https://nl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Zon&veaction=edit&ecenable=1
>> 3. Reload the page with the new URL.
>> 4. Create a new paragraph, that is at least 50 characters long without
>> adding a citation
>> 5. Press the Publish… Notice the prompt that appears
>> 6. Test is completed, don't save your edit unless you know what you are
>> doing.
>>
>> All edits are tagged, so that you can find them in Recent Changes or in
>> your Watchlist. If a user selects "no" after the prompt, they have to
>> select a reason why. That reason is tagged as well, easing experienced
>> users' work on patrolling and improving these edits.
>>
>> We will soon add a message if the added citation is listed on
>> MediaWiki:Spam-blacklist or MediaWiki:BlockedExternalDomains.json.
>>
>> As Edit Check only checks the first paragraph added, the next iteration
>> will be to add multi-Reference checks. We are currently working on the
>> design for multi-checks.
>>
>> Of course, Edit Check is not limited to adding citations. We can imagine
>> other ways to close the tap. Your suggestions are welcomed, as are your
>> questions.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> --
>> Benoît Evellin - Trizek_(WMF) (he/him)
>> Community Relations Specialist
>> Wikimedia Foundation
>> _______________________________________________
>> Wikimedia-l mailing list -- wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, guidelines
>> at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l
>> Public archives at
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/hyperkitty/list/wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org/message/RWQIXLQEBNC62THG5J4TY7OCHCKRAPUF/
>> To unsubscribe send an email to wikimedia-l-leave@lists.wikimedia.org
>
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