Hi there,
There are a few things I do wonder about, which are not clear from the
> conversation/statistics:
> - is the approval rating significantly different among voters from smaller
> projects than in larger projects? I don't know if the voting infrastructure
> even allows for such a breakdown.
> - are within projects, certain types of users over represented? For
> example, I would love some breakdown along tenure (how long have editors
> been around), rights holders (admin, arbcom, etc) and how those compare to
> the populations in their respective communities.
Unfortunately this kind of breakdown data isn't possible with SecurePoll -
that's by design, since the system anonymises votes as they're placed. So
there would be no way to know who exactly a "yes" or a "no" came from in
the data, and thus no way to get more granular data (at least as things are
set up right now).
best,
Joe
--
*Joe Sutherland* (he/him)
Lead Trust and Safety Specialist
Wikimedia Foundation
On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 at 10:59, effe iets anders <effeietsanders@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I agree that these are valid concerns, as is the point that we should
> consider how the 'homewiki' (or whatever demographic you choose to follow)
> distribution across those votes impacts the outcome. I think there will be
> general agreement that more participation would be great (although I feel
> that I have to admit, that this time around I didn't vote myself: just
> didn't get to reading the proposals carefully enough this time.)
>
> There are a few things I do wonder about, which are not clear from the
> conversation/statistics:
> - is the approval rating significantly different among voters from smaller
> projects than in larger projects? I don't know if the voting infrastructure
> even allows for such a breakdown.
> - are within projects, certain types of users over represented? For
> example, I would love some breakdown along tenure (how long have editors
> been around), rights holders (admin, arbcom, etc) and how those compare to
> the populations in their respective communities.
>
> A turnout this size is maybe not a high percentage of eligible voters, but
> note that we intentionally set our eligibility criteria low. A low
> percentage is then only a natural outcome. I do wonder: what kind of
> percentage would make colleagues more confident? And how could we
> realistically achieve those percentages?
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 7:55 PM <Adel.nehaoua.wiki@gmail.com> wrote:
>
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There are a few things I do wonder about, which are not clear from the
> conversation/statistics:
> - is the approval rating significantly different among voters from smaller
> projects than in larger projects? I don't know if the voting infrastructure
> even allows for such a breakdown.
> - are within projects, certain types of users over represented? For
> example, I would love some breakdown along tenure (how long have editors
> been around), rights holders (admin, arbcom, etc) and how those compare to
> the populations in their respective communities.
Unfortunately this kind of breakdown data isn't possible with SecurePoll -
that's by design, since the system anonymises votes as they're placed. So
there would be no way to know who exactly a "yes" or a "no" came from in
the data, and thus no way to get more granular data (at least as things are
set up right now).
best,
Joe
--
*Joe Sutherland* (he/him)
Lead Trust and Safety Specialist
Wikimedia Foundation
On Thu, 16 Feb 2023 at 10:59, effe iets anders <effeietsanders@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I agree that these are valid concerns, as is the point that we should
> consider how the 'homewiki' (or whatever demographic you choose to follow)
> distribution across those votes impacts the outcome. I think there will be
> general agreement that more participation would be great (although I feel
> that I have to admit, that this time around I didn't vote myself: just
> didn't get to reading the proposals carefully enough this time.)
>
> There are a few things I do wonder about, which are not clear from the
> conversation/statistics:
> - is the approval rating significantly different among voters from smaller
> projects than in larger projects? I don't know if the voting infrastructure
> even allows for such a breakdown.
> - are within projects, certain types of users over represented? For
> example, I would love some breakdown along tenure (how long have editors
> been around), rights holders (admin, arbcom, etc) and how those compare to
> the populations in their respective communities.
>
> A turnout this size is maybe not a high percentage of eligible voters, but
> note that we intentionally set our eligibility criteria low. A low
> percentage is then only a natural outcome. I do wonder: what kind of
> percentage would make colleagues more confident? And how could we
> realistically achieve those percentages?
>
> Best,
> Lodewijk
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 7:55 PM <Adel.nehaoua.wiki@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> ??????? ??? ??????? ??? ??????? ?? ???????? ?? ????? ?? ??? ??? ??
>> ??????? ????????? ??????? ?????? ???????? ??? ??? ??? ????????? ??? ???????
>> ???? ??? ???????:
>> * ???? ???????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? 3097 ?????? ?? ??? 68745 ???? ????
>> * ??? ????????? ??? ??????? 2,290 ???? ????? ????? ??? 4% ?? ???????
>> ??????? ?????
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