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contents under education/information licenses
Currently, on many projects, we allow three kinds of multimedia content :
1) content in the public domain
2) content available under "free" licenses (with our own definition of
"free"; some people disagree with GFDL being a free license)
3) content available under the "fair use" clause of US copyright law.

1) and 2) are easily reusable by third parties, while 3) is not (each
use of a "fair use" document must be justified).

Clearly, these rules were set with the view of the US law : we put
stringent rules on allowing only "free" content, and then we opened a
whole boulevard with the US-specific "fair use" clause. I might even go
as far as to say that our stringent rules are acceptable only because we
have this "fair use" allowance.

Now, fair use does not exist in the legislation of many countries; or,
rather, it exists in a weaker or different form ("right of citation").
As a consequence, many wikipedias, targetting citizens of countries
other than the US, have decided to prohibit fair use content or at least
severely restrict it.

This proves a problem with some providers of content (companies,
government administrations, etc.) who would gladly provide e.g.
photographs usable for any informational or educational purpose, but
that they do not want to appear in advertisements (especially for
products unrelated to their activities).

An example is the European space agency (ESA) and the French space
agency (CNES) : they would gladly allow their photographs to be used for
any educational or informational purpose (including commercial, e.g.
DVDs, paper encyclopedias, textbooks etc.) but they do not want their
material to appear in e.g. advertisements for supermarkets or, worse,
political advertisements, because in such cases some idea of endorsement
of the product on their part is implied. They cannot use trademark
legislation to fight such abuse, in most cases.

Note that, in the US, NASA, whose photographs are in the public domain,
is protected from abusive by specific US laws prohibiting misuse of some
symbols of the US government, including the NASA logo (the same applies
for e.g. military insignia). The photo may well be termed "public
domain", but they can actually prosecute you if you use it in an
advertisement.

Note also that the Wikimedia Foundation also copyrights its logos in
order to prevent abuse. We should not be hypocrites and deny to others
what we do for the same purpose (especially since the Foundation grants
individual authorizations, not a blanket "for education or information").

In addition, the legislation of some countries may not allow blanket
licenses for any use (considered as clauses abusing the rights of the
authors, and thus null and void).

A solution would be to create a new category of content allowed on
Wikimedia projects :
4) Content available for use for any purpose, commercial or non
commercial, as long as it is informational or educational.

I see only advantages :
* This would enable us to counter systemic bias ; that is, allow content
from some providers from countries where "fair use" does not apply (we
for instance currently totally unbalance the portrayal of space programs
by having 7000 photos from NASA and hardly any from ESA/CNES).
* This would enable us to attract interesting content from providers who
do not want their work to be used in advertisements, for questions of
corporate or institutional image.
* This would be coherent with the goals stated in the bylaws of the
Wikimedia Foundation, that is, distribute informational content.


Common objections are :
* Jimbo said he would not longer allow content restricted to "non
commercial" usage.
=> This does not apply here, since the above mentioned content would be
usable for commercial uses.

(Non-commercial only licenses would be an annoyance for people willing
to distribute DVDs or in case we lack funds and we're forced to put up
advertisements. Neither would be hampered by the above mentioned
conditions.)

* Such content would be "unfree".
=> Then ban all fair use from all projects, since "fair use" content is
considerably more unfree. "Fair use" content is usable for
educational/informational use only for narrow cases, and is only usable
by US residents.

In short, this objection is US-centric. :-)

* ESA and CNES should do like NASA does.

ESA and CNES operate under different laws and rules than NASA. NASA
employs many of its photographers, whose work is in the public domain as
work of US government employees ; ESA and CNES have to buy many
photographs from non-employees, typically under conditions allowing any
educational or informational use but disallowing uses in commercial
advertisements.

Again, US-centric objection. :-)

To summarize my point of view: to be coherent, we should
* either allow such content usable for any educational or informational
uses, including commercial:
* either prohibit "fair use" content from all projects (and perhaps also
content constrained by laws other than copyright, e.g. insignia of US
government administrations).

Regards,
--DM
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Re: contents under education/information licenses [ In reply to ]
On 11/21/06, David Monniaux <David.Monniaux@free.fr> wrote:
> Note that, in the US, NASA, whose photographs are in the public domain,
> is protected from abusive by specific US laws prohibiting misuse of some
> symbols of the US government, including the NASA logo (the same applies
[snip]
> Note also that the Wikimedia Foundation also copyrights its logos in
> order to prevent abuse. We should not be hypocrites and deny to others
> what we do for the same purpose (especially since the Foundation grants
[snip]


As far as I can tell your argument is seriously lacking in internal consistency.

There are two primary areas where I find your argument completely
unconvincing at first glance:

You make an argument that we should permit logos which are encumbered
by copyright related restrictions, because non-copyright methods are
insufficient to protect the logos in some jurisdictions outside of the
US. However, you fail to describe the nature of this failure and the
jurisdictions where it is material. Although the law differs from
place to place, trademark is a powerful and well established concept
in most of the places I suspect matter to you. Without a specific
argument related to the insufficiency of trademark protection outside
of the United States, I can not measure the importance of your
concerns.


> * This would enable us to counter systemic bias ; that is, allow content
> from some providers from countries where "fair use" does not apply (we
> for instance currently totally unbalance the portrayal of space programs
> by having 7000 photos from NASA and hardly any from ESA/CNES).
[snip]

More importantly, in my mind, is that while you might have an argument
related to the protection of logos and identifying marks for the
purpose of avoiding confusion and false associations, you then take
the unexplained leap to non-identifying images.. Things like
scientific phenomena, rather than logos.

Images of research are best held in the public domain, they are things
which should be "free", as they are the result of the culmination of
work from generations of people. It would be fundamentally
inconsistent for us to profess a commitment to Free Knowledge and then
endorse discriminatory restrictions on that knowledge.

"You may use this for educational purposes" is a false offer: for what
use is material that you may learn from, but may only put to use so
long as you can sufficiently hide the origins of your knowledge?


So argue to me that we should allow unfreely copyrighted images of
trademarked logos, and I will agree with you, for I support that
policy on the English Wikipedia (where such logos are used as 'fair
use' consistent with both US code and with established public
practices). But I can not see how you can paint informative content
with the same broad brush.

If the European Space agency is so paranoid and so afraid to share,
that they will adopt a copyright policy which keeps their work from
the public eye then it is by their own choice. The historical memory
of man is not always kind to those who wish to shroud their work in
secrecy, and no policy of Wikimedias will change that.
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Re: contents under education/information licenses [ In reply to ]
I'll try to avoid the finer details here and get to the substance of the
problem. Some organizations want to apply licensing terms that allow
"educational" and "informational" use of their content. They profess to
allow "commercial" use. However, they also want to prevent
"advertisement" and "political" use.

Framing the issue this way assumes that these categories are distinct.
That assumption is misleading and, especially in the context of our
philosophical commitments on licensing issues, not one we can operate
with. Their concession to commercial use recognizes that education and
information can be commercial products. But what about, for example,
using this material to advertise an educational product? This is
territory where it isn't feasible to bless some approaches and cordon
off others, at least not without detailed agreements spelling out what
is and isn't permissible. Such things quickly become too complicated for
our own contributors, to say nothing of anyone downstream who wants to
reuse it.

And that's only the first stage of blurring the attempted distinction.
As any political operative would say, at least for public consumption,
everything they put out *is* informational. They claim to believe that
if voters had all the facts, they would all reach the same conclusion
and support this position or that candidate. It's not negative
campaigning, it's making sure people have all the information they need
about your opponent.

As for the differences between information and advertising, it's much
the same thing. Most marketing (think of the worst corporate article on
Wikipedia you've ever wanted to delete) still aims to be informational,
even though it's coming at you from a slanted and perhaps distorted
perspective. Perhaps some of you may not be familiar with the term
"infomercial", which is I guess rather American, but that phenomenon
illustrates the problem quite well. Considering that the second half is
from commercial, with a meaning equivalent to advertisement, according
to this philosophy such use should be allowed and not allowed at the
same time.

I think much of the problem is a sense that dedicating something to the
public domain means abandoning the ability to defend it against abuse.
But the kind of abuse contemplated is less a matter for copyright and
licensing. Trademark law has been mentioned, and that might work in some
situations. But really these kinds of problems are, or ought to be,
covered by moral rights. Fundamentally, the situation these
organizations want to prevent is use to imply endorsement against their
wishes, whether that be commercial or political. To me, that's a moral
rights issue, and shouldn't need to involve licensing. To deal with the
problem, they should focus on the endorsement, not resort to other
categories instead that are poor proxies.

Regardless of how somebody licenses or releases their content, they
aren't supposed to lose their moral rights, as I understand it. Probably
some of the difficulty understanding each other here is because the US,
which has the strongest tradition of releasing content to the public
domain, has also been among the most resistant to the moral rights
concept. I could certainly support some changes and clarifications to
the law in this regard, preferably at a level of international
coordination. Perhaps that would make agencies in other countries
comfortable with releasing their material more freely. But for our
purposes in the meantime, I don't think accepting content with
additional restrictions like these gets us closer to our goals.

--Michael Snow
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Re: contents under education/information licenses [ In reply to ]
I agree with all of Michael's analysis. I would like to underscore
out that "educational" does not necessarily mean "non-commercial".
There are many educational, religious or cultural institutions that
operate in the "commercial realm" and in fact, under the U.S.
trademark law, the term of art "use in commerce" is not limited
to sale of goods, but can also be services. Here is an example
of my own alma mater and the protection it has on its name
http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=74005106
They also are protected from allowing anyone else from selling
educational services under their name:
http://tarr.uspto.gov/servlet/tarr?regser=serial&entry=73626911

Jimbo was very wise to create a licensing scheme that allowed these
kinds of uses of Wikipedia content while preserving the moral rights
of creators, which is not protected under US law (even though it is a
signatory to the Berne Convention) except for certain types of
visual art works; as we know American IP law is obsessed with
protecting the "commerical" exploitation of a work, and not with
the more philosophical "moral rights" concepts of IP that lead creators
and IP rights pioneers like Victor Hugo to stress the importance of
these "non-economic" rights.

Alex T. Roshuk

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Snow" <wikipedia@earthlink.net>

<..snip..>

| Framing the issue this way assumes that these categories are distinct.
| That assumption is misleading and, especially in the context of our
| philosophical commitments on licensing issues, not one we can operate
| with. Their concession to commercial use recognizes that education and
| information can be commercial products. But what about, for example,
| using this material to advertise an educational product? This is
| territory where it isn't feasible to bless some approaches and cordon
| off others, at least not without detailed agreements spelling out what
| is and isn't permissible. Such things quickly become too complicated for
| our own contributors, to say nothing of anyone downstream who wants to
| reuse it.

<..snip...>
|
|
| --Michael Snow
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Re: contents under education/information licenses [ In reply to ]
On 11/21/06, David Monniaux <David.Monniaux@free.fr> wrote:
> Note that, in the US, NASA, whose photographs are in the public domain,
> is protected from abusive by specific US laws prohibiting misuse of some
> symbols of the US government, including the NASA logo (the same applies
> for e.g. military insignia). The photo may well be termed "public
> domain", but they can actually prosecute you if you use it in an
> advertisement.
>
> Note also that the Wikimedia Foundation also copyrights its logos in
> order to prevent abuse. We should not be hypocrites and deny to others
> what we do for the same purpose (especially since the Foundation grants
> individual authorizations, not a blanket "for education or information").

I'm increasingly convinced that the free culture movement needs to
come up with a coherent view on logos and trademarks. This is
currently a problem across the spectrum of free content and open
source projects, and Wikimedia is no exception: we allow our own logos
to be hosted on Wikimedia Commons as a matter of convenience, yet, any
other organization would have to make their logos entirely "free
content" in order for them to be considered "commons compatible".

Also compare the schizophrenic dispute between Mozilla and Debian (a
GNU/Linux distribution), which resulted in Debian changing the name of
Firefox to "Iceweasel" to avoid trademark and logo issues. It's very
unfortunate that two organizations that share similar ideologies spend
time and resources fighting over banalities.

For logos and trademarks, whether they are standing alone or part of a
larger image, I can certainly agree that rules prohibiting use of the
logo or derivatives thereof to identify a derivative work or a
different product without permission, or "passing off" of any kind,
may be acceptable. The logo could still be freely copied and used in
the context of commentary, artistic works, etc.

Then, if we have such a standard of freedom for logos, it may become
easier to persuade organizations like ESA to release their content
under a free license, provided that any logo portions of the images
are clearly labeled to be protected as described above. It may also
inspire other organizations.

If nobody in our community is willing to take leadership on this
issue, I think it might be a good idea to organize a virtual summit
with leaders of the free culture community specifically about the
logo/trademark issue. The current situation is unsustainable. We need
to figure out where to draw the line between freedom and protection of
identity. If our own position makes sense, it becomes much easier to
convince others of our values.

That said, I absolutely do not support content in Commons that is
restricted to educational use. It's poor strategic thinking. Even
today, Wikimedia is already quite influential. As our quality
assurance processes improve and our credibility increases, not to
mention our relentless international growth, Wikimedia will become
_the_ global institution of free knowledge. We should not compromise
to get a little more content now, which is then unlikely to ever be
more freely licensed. Rather, we should be steadfast in our position,
and wait until the rest of the world catches up with us. That might
take a decade or two, but it will be worth the wait.

As for the argument that we do allow fair use -- we do indeed. But as
I always emphasize, fair use is not on equal footing with freely
licensed content. It can be removed almost at will, or replaced with
more freely licensed content of lower quality. A rationale is required
for its invocation, and many projects now have whitelists of allowable
fair use cases.

As for the argument that this is US-centric, of course it is. Our
primary servers are hosted in Florida. US law is therefore our first
point of reference, for any given project.

Apologies if these points have been made before -- the thread has
become too long for me to process in full.
--
Peace & Love,
Erik

Member, Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees

DISCLAIMER: Unless otherwise stated, all views or opinions expressed
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position of the Wikimedia Foundation or its Board of Trustees.
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