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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Royal Society archives online until December
On 26/09/06, James Hardy <wikimediauk@weeb.biz> wrote:

> Uploading the original PDFs to a publicly accessable website would most
> likely be a copyright violation, so we wouldn't want to do that anyway.


In the UK, not in the US.


> Another question is what to do about about diagrams (assuming that there are
> some), I would imagine that if the the RS claims copyright of the scans we
> can't just extract them and use them. Simple ones I imagine we can (and
> probably should) convert to SVG, but for more detailed ones, that could be
> tricky.


So no-one in the UK should do this, but someone in the US may say "you
claim you own a scan of a diagram from 1720 and no-one else can touch
it? O rly. Sue and be damned." This is something we would need to be
*quite* clear that we were or were not going to say ahead of time, of
course.

(Though put like that, it looks very like the National Portrait
Gallery issue. Have they ceased the vague attempts at legal
intimidation after Jimbo indicated Wikimedia's attitude would in fact
be "sue and be damned"?)

cc: to foundation-l on this issue.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Royal Society archives online until December [ In reply to ]
2006/9/26, David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com>:
> On 26/09/06, James Hardy <wikimediauk@weeb.biz> wrote:
>
> > Uploading the original PDFs to a publicly accessable website would most
> > likely be a copyright violation, so we wouldn't want to do that anyway.
>
>
> In the UK, not in the US.
>
>
> > Another question is what to do about about diagrams (assuming that there are
> > some), I would imagine that if the the RS claims copyright of the scans we
> > can't just extract them and use them. Simple ones I imagine we can (and
> > probably should) convert to SVG, but for more detailed ones, that could be
> > tricky.
>
>
> So no-one in the UK should do this, but someone in the US may say "you
> claim you own a scan of a diagram from 1720 and no-one else can touch
> it? O rly. Sue and be damned." This is something we would need to be
> *quite* clear that we were or were not going to say ahead of time, of
> course.
>
> (Though put like that, it looks very like the National Portrait
> Gallery issue. Have they ceased the vague attempts at legal
> intimidation after Jimbo indicated Wikimedia's attitude would in fact
> be "sue and be damned"?)
>
> cc: to foundation-l on this issue.
>
>

According to my experience as a scientist writing sometimes a review
articles you have to '''always''' ask for permission to use graphs
which are copyrighted or included in a copyrighted publications or
databases. However, the source scientific data which was used for
preparing graph is not a subject of the copyright law, so you can
simply draw a new graph using the data from the original one and put
the citations of a source.


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Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Royal Society archives online until December [ In reply to ]
On 26/09/06, Tomasz Ganicz <polimerek@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2006/9/26, David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com>:

> > So no-one in the UK should do this, but someone in the US may say "you
> > claim you own a scan of a diagram from 1720 and no-one else can touch
> > it? O rly. Sue and be damned." This is something we would need to be
> > *quite* clear that we were or were not going to say ahead of time, of
> > course.

> According to my experience as a scientist writing sometimes a review
> articles you have to '''always''' ask for permission to use graphs
> which are copyrighted or included in a copyrighted publications or
> databases.


US copyright law. Scanning does not create a new copyright, and the
notion is in any case odious.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Royal Society archives online until December [ In reply to ]
Someone left a note on Wikisource about these going
offline in December. I know at least one editor has
begun downloading these. If anyone would like to
help, I am sure we could use it. Of course don't get
yourself in trouble if you fall under UK legal
jurisitiction.

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium#Royal_Society_Journals_free_only_until_December

Birgitte SB

--- David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 26/09/06, James Hardy <wikimediauk@weeb.biz>
> wrote:
>
> > Uploading the original PDFs to a publicly
> accessable website would most
> > likely be a copyright violation, so we wouldn't
> want to do that anyway.
>
>
> In the UK, not in the US.
>
>
> > Another question is what to do about about
> diagrams (assuming that there are
> > some), I would imagine that if the the RS claims
> copyright of the scans we
> > can't just extract them and use them. Simple ones
> I imagine we can (and
> > probably should) convert to SVG, but for more
> detailed ones, that could be
> > tricky.
>
>
> So no-one in the UK should do this, but someone in
> the US may say "you
> claim you own a scan of a diagram from 1720 and
> no-one else can touch
> it? O rly. Sue and be damned." This is something we
> would need to be
> *quite* clear that we were or were not going to say
> ahead of time, of
> course.
>
> (Though put like that, it looks very like the
> National Portrait
> Gallery issue. Have they ceased the vague attempts
> at legal
> intimidation after Jimbo indicated Wikimedia's
> attitude would in fact
> be "sue and be damned"?)
>
> cc: to foundation-l on this issue.
>
>
> - d.
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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Royal Society archives online until December [ In reply to ]
On 26/09/06, Birgitte SB <birgitte_sb@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Someone left a note on Wikisource about these going
> offline in December. I know at least one editor has
> begun downloading these. If anyone would like to
> help, I am sure we could use it. Of course don't get
> yourself in trouble if you fall under UK legal
> jurisitiction.
> http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium#Royal_Society_Journals_free_only_until_December


I should stress I have no intention of downloading these to save to
Wikisource or Commons myself.


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Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Royal Society archives online until December [ In reply to ]
At 06:37 -0700 26/9/06, Birgitte SB wrote:
>Someone left a note on Wikisource about these going
>offline in December. I know at least one editor has
>begun downloading these. If anyone would like to
>help, I am sure we could use it. Of course don't get
>yourself in trouble if you fall under UK legal
>jurisitiction.

I have downloaded one paper and started to read it.

"A memoir of the Theory of Mathemtical Form" by A. B. Kempe, M. A., F. R. S.

Received May 18, Read June 18 1885.

It runs to 70 pages, and has diagrams and formulae, and italics.

This was done for personal research, and hence is 100% legal.

Gordon Joly
London
UK



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