It also should be noted we shouldn't have to inundate common people with
complex logical arguments about something as boring as copyright law.
Jimmy Wales was from Alabama, he had a thirst for knowledge. He studied
finance at Auburn University -- that's where options trading caught his
eyes. After a bout of that and Internet porn, he realized: he wanted to live
like common people; he wanted to live and drink with common people. So he
decided to dump a lot of money in a website -for- the common people because
he just liked it that much.
All in all, Wikipedia is for common people, and they'd prefer simple terms
like "free encyclopedia" than "GFDL general and specialized knowledge
provider licensed for free and educational use." Common people is what
Wikipedia is all about.
On 7/16/06, Ray Saintonge <saintonge@telus.net> wrote:
>
> Jeffrey V. Merkey wrote:
>
> >Jeffrey V. Merkey wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Ray Saintonge wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Anthony wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>On 7/14/06, Jeff V. Merkey <jmerkey@wolfmountaingroup.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>" ...Wikimedia doesn't transfer the ownership of anything, and there
> is no
> >>>>>rental, lease, or lending. But then again, by that definition
> >>>>>*nothing* distributed over the Internet is published, and I doubt a
> >>>>>court would agree with that...."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Because of the way the GFDL works, ownership is transferred to every
> person
> >>>>>that receives it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>Ownership of what? The ownership of copyright doesn't get
> >>>>transferred. Copies of the work don't get transferred. What gets
> >>>>transferred? Bits?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I agree with you on this. GFDL is a licence, not a transfer of
> ownership.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>It transfers rights tantamount to ownership (all of this GNU crap does).
> >>And may qualify
> >>as a transfer of copyight since it conveys "RIGHT TO COPY" == COPYRIGHT.
> >>People just for some reason are not able to get this. Go read the
> licence. If
> >>you grant someone unlimited
> >>RIGHT TO COPY under the Doctrine of Esstoppel, after they do it for some
> >>period of time, it may qualify as a transfer of copyright.
> >>
> >>There is case law that backs up this view -- Copyrights can be
> >>transferred on the back of a bubble gum
> >>wrapper according to one ruling by the Circuit courts when you give
> >>someone UNLIMITED RIGHT TO COPY something.
> >>
> >What makes this position possibly valid is the fact people state the
> >content under such licenses is "FREE". When you say
> >something is FREE it implies a transaction or transfer occurred. "I did
> >not pay for this new hat, it was free and part of
> >a promotion, but it was given to me for FREE, and now it's MY PROPERTY".
> >I think you can see the logic. If folks
> >want to make claims they hold copyrights on materials under any of these
> >GNU licenses, the words "FREE" should not
> >be used and replaced with "LICENSED AT NO CHARGE FOR EDUCATIONAL
> >PURPOSES" and the words
> >"RIGHT TO COPY" replaced with "LICENSED UNDER THE TERMS."
> >
> >
> It's more subtle than that. It's free distribution not free contents.
> Free is an adjective, and as such does not stand in isolation. If
> someone gives you a new hat with a logo on it the right to reproduce the
> logo does not come with ownership of the hat. Intangible properties
> such as rights are not treated the same way as tangible properties such
> as hats.
>
> GFDL allows for downstream reuses by all persons, not just for
> educational purposes. It is also not an unconditional granting of
> rights. It requires users to pass those same conditions on to
> subsequent users, and provides that derivative works also be licensed in
> the same way. In simple terms a user who does not do this is in breach
> of license.
>
> Ec
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complex logical arguments about something as boring as copyright law.
Jimmy Wales was from Alabama, he had a thirst for knowledge. He studied
finance at Auburn University -- that's where options trading caught his
eyes. After a bout of that and Internet porn, he realized: he wanted to live
like common people; he wanted to live and drink with common people. So he
decided to dump a lot of money in a website -for- the common people because
he just liked it that much.
All in all, Wikipedia is for common people, and they'd prefer simple terms
like "free encyclopedia" than "GFDL general and specialized knowledge
provider licensed for free and educational use." Common people is what
Wikipedia is all about.
On 7/16/06, Ray Saintonge <saintonge@telus.net> wrote:
>
> Jeffrey V. Merkey wrote:
>
> >Jeffrey V. Merkey wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Ray Saintonge wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Anthony wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>On 7/14/06, Jeff V. Merkey <jmerkey@wolfmountaingroup.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>" ...Wikimedia doesn't transfer the ownership of anything, and there
> is no
> >>>>>rental, lease, or lending. But then again, by that definition
> >>>>>*nothing* distributed over the Internet is published, and I doubt a
> >>>>>court would agree with that...."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Because of the way the GFDL works, ownership is transferred to every
> person
> >>>>>that receives it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>Ownership of what? The ownership of copyright doesn't get
> >>>>transferred. Copies of the work don't get transferred. What gets
> >>>>transferred? Bits?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>I agree with you on this. GFDL is a licence, not a transfer of
> ownership.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>It transfers rights tantamount to ownership (all of this GNU crap does).
> >>And may qualify
> >>as a transfer of copyight since it conveys "RIGHT TO COPY" == COPYRIGHT.
> >>People just for some reason are not able to get this. Go read the
> licence. If
> >>you grant someone unlimited
> >>RIGHT TO COPY under the Doctrine of Esstoppel, after they do it for some
> >>period of time, it may qualify as a transfer of copyright.
> >>
> >>There is case law that backs up this view -- Copyrights can be
> >>transferred on the back of a bubble gum
> >>wrapper according to one ruling by the Circuit courts when you give
> >>someone UNLIMITED RIGHT TO COPY something.
> >>
> >What makes this position possibly valid is the fact people state the
> >content under such licenses is "FREE". When you say
> >something is FREE it implies a transaction or transfer occurred. "I did
> >not pay for this new hat, it was free and part of
> >a promotion, but it was given to me for FREE, and now it's MY PROPERTY".
> >I think you can see the logic. If folks
> >want to make claims they hold copyrights on materials under any of these
> >GNU licenses, the words "FREE" should not
> >be used and replaced with "LICENSED AT NO CHARGE FOR EDUCATIONAL
> >PURPOSES" and the words
> >"RIGHT TO COPY" replaced with "LICENSED UNDER THE TERMS."
> >
> >
> It's more subtle than that. It's free distribution not free contents.
> Free is an adjective, and as such does not stand in isolation. If
> someone gives you a new hat with a logo on it the right to reproduce the
> logo does not come with ownership of the hat. Intangible properties
> such as rights are not treated the same way as tangible properties such
> as hats.
>
> GFDL allows for downstream reuses by all persons, not just for
> educational purposes. It is also not an unconditional granting of
> rights. It requires users to pass those same conditions on to
> subsequent users, and provides that derivative works also be licensed in
> the same way. In simple terms a user who does not do this is in breach
> of license.
>
> Ec
>
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