Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but this wasn't what I was suggesting. I hardly
recollect that two people were trying to start a chapter on their own, and I
do not think that that is the reason people do not trust the current
foundation (association) and/or its board members. I do think that some
people have coerced their opinion. How people feel about that is worsened by
the fact that board members only (very) reluctantly answer the questions of
Dutch Wikimedians.
I also like to make clear that I did or do not mistrust anyone, I believe
everyones intentions about a Dutch chapter are sincere (strong opinion or
not).
-Fruggo
Oscar wrote (among other things):
> maybe fruggo is right in suggesting that the current board and chapter is
> suffering from the mistrust that those two people that have tried to
> organize a chapter before, without any involvement or even knowledge
> thereof
> by the dutch communities, has left behind.
>
>
> On 4/19/06, Fruggo <fruggo@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I believe Walter is right when he contradicts that there is a group of
> > admins that act against the wishes of the community. When the first
> plans
> > of
> > a Dutch Wikimedia organisation were made I contributed to the
> discussions
> > on
> > the Dutch Wikimedia website and I went to a (the first?) meeting of
> people
> > who were interested. It soon occurred to me that some people had very
> > strong
> > opinions on forming an organisation, and there was not many room for
> > dissident opinions. I got the impression that many people thought that
> the
> > organisation could/should have a say about the Dutch Wikipedia. I didn't
> > like the way some people (who were intent on becoming a board member)
> > seemed
> > to force their opinion on others, so I backed out of the development of
> > the
> > organisation. I believe that the way dissident opinions were handled is
> > now
> > an important source of the fear of many Dutch Wikipedians that the Dutch
> > foundation and association (but mostly the foundation, since that is the
> > least democratic) will not listen to the Dutch community.
> >
> > -Fruggo
> >
> > Walter Vermeir schreef:
> >
> > >
> > > > I think the biggest problem is that a certain group of Dutch
> > moderators
> > > take
> > > > decisions for example to block someone for a long time, without
> being
> > > > interested in the opinion of the community. Something there is some
> > > admin
> > > > power abuse done by that specific group of moderators. Now the case
> is
> >
> > > that
> > > [cut]
> > >
> > > The Dutch Wikipedia is not paradise. But you give the impression that
> > > there is a group of admins on the Dutch Wikipedia who are behaving
> > > strongly against the wishes of the community. And that those are now
> > > also controlling those new chapters.
> > >
> > > This is highly incorrect.
> > >
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recollect that two people were trying to start a chapter on their own, and I
do not think that that is the reason people do not trust the current
foundation (association) and/or its board members. I do think that some
people have coerced their opinion. How people feel about that is worsened by
the fact that board members only (very) reluctantly answer the questions of
Dutch Wikimedians.
I also like to make clear that I did or do not mistrust anyone, I believe
everyones intentions about a Dutch chapter are sincere (strong opinion or
not).
-Fruggo
Oscar wrote (among other things):
> maybe fruggo is right in suggesting that the current board and chapter is
> suffering from the mistrust that those two people that have tried to
> organize a chapter before, without any involvement or even knowledge
> thereof
> by the dutch communities, has left behind.
>
>
> On 4/19/06, Fruggo <fruggo@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I believe Walter is right when he contradicts that there is a group of
> > admins that act against the wishes of the community. When the first
> plans
> > of
> > a Dutch Wikimedia organisation were made I contributed to the
> discussions
> > on
> > the Dutch Wikimedia website and I went to a (the first?) meeting of
> people
> > who were interested. It soon occurred to me that some people had very
> > strong
> > opinions on forming an organisation, and there was not many room for
> > dissident opinions. I got the impression that many people thought that
> the
> > organisation could/should have a say about the Dutch Wikipedia. I didn't
> > like the way some people (who were intent on becoming a board member)
> > seemed
> > to force their opinion on others, so I backed out of the development of
> > the
> > organisation. I believe that the way dissident opinions were handled is
> > now
> > an important source of the fear of many Dutch Wikipedians that the Dutch
> > foundation and association (but mostly the foundation, since that is the
> > least democratic) will not listen to the Dutch community.
> >
> > -Fruggo
> >
> > Walter Vermeir schreef:
> >
> > >
> > > > I think the biggest problem is that a certain group of Dutch
> > moderators
> > > take
> > > > decisions for example to block someone for a long time, without
> being
> > > > interested in the opinion of the community. Something there is some
> > > admin
> > > > power abuse done by that specific group of moderators. Now the case
> is
> >
> > > that
> > > [cut]
> > >
> > > The Dutch Wikipedia is not paradise. But you give the impression that
> > > there is a group of admins on the Dutch Wikipedia who are behaving
> > > strongly against the wishes of the community. And that those are now
> > > also controlling those new chapters.
> > >
> > > This is highly incorrect.
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
> >
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