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It is vital to stamp out citizen journalism. Or claim to.
When you're competing with your own fans, you're ... in trouble.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1027680.ece


- d.

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Re: It is vital to stamp out citizen journalism. Or claim to. [ In reply to ]
> When you're competing with your own fans, you're ... in trouble.
>
> http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1027680.ece
>
>
> - d.

Heh, but is there any basis whatever that the events occurring a football
game are of social or education value?

Fred



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Re: It is vital to stamp out citizen journalism. Or claim to. [ In reply to ]
2009/8/14 Fred Bauder <fredbaud@fairpoint.net>:

>> When you're competing with your own fans, you're ... in trouble.
>> http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1027680.ece

> Heh, but is there any basis whatever that the events occurring a football
> game are of social or education value?


Historical, frequently. I believe our coverage of American football on
en:wp is quite extensive.

It's that they feel they can take such an openly hostile attitude to
their own customers.


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Re: It is vital to stamp out citizen journalism. Or claim to. [ In reply to ]
They are happy with fans exactly insofar as they yield profit. But they also
need to protect what they get from other fans. Hence no sharing unless it
leads to more total spending. If they could figure out how to charge fans
for remembering the game (or the logo or the mascot or the faces of their
fellow fans), they would.

I hope no one still confuses an organization's being organized as a
not-for-profit corporation with its not being run for profit.

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 4:40 PM, David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2009/8/14 Fred Bauder <fredbaud@fairpoint.net>:
>
> >> When you're competing with your own fans, you're ... in trouble.
> >> http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1027680.ece
>
> > Heh, but is there any basis whatever that the events occurring a football
> > game are of social or education value?
>
>
> Historical, frequently. I believe our coverage of American football on
> en:wp is quite extensive.
>
> It's that they feel they can take such an openly hostile attitude to
> their own customers.
>
>
> - d.
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Re: It is vital to stamp out citizen journalism. Or claim to. [ In reply to ]
David Gerard wrote:
> 2009/8/14 Fred Bauder <fredbaud@fairpoint.net>:
>
>>> When you're competing with your own fans, you're ... in trouble.
>>> http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1027680.ece
>>>
>> Heh, but is there any basis whatever that the events occurring a football
>> game are of social or education value?
>>
> Historical, frequently. I believe our coverage of American football on
> en:wp is quite extensive.
>
> It's that they feel they can take such an openly hostile attitude to
> their own customers.
>
It's a pretty common attitude at the highest levels of sport where so
much is tied to contests as media properties. Similar issues have come
up in football (soccer), baseball, basketball, and golf - to mention
only those where I know of specific instances off the top of my head.
Anybody want to send me up the road to Vancouver for the Winter Olympics
next year?

--Michael Snow

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Re: It is vital to stamp out citizen journalism. Or claim to. [ In reply to ]
> 2009/8/14 Fred Bauder <fredbaud@fairpoint.net>:
>
>>> When you're competing with your own fans, you're ... in trouble.
>>> http://www.tampabay.com/news/article1027680.ece
>
>> Heh, but is there any basis whatever that the events occurring a
>> football
>> game are of social or education value?
>
>
> Historical, frequently. I believe our coverage of American football on
> en:wp is quite extensive.
>
> It's that they feel they can take such an openly hostile attitude to
> their own customers.
>
>
> - d.
>

They are called fans, and nobody in show business likes them much.

Fred



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