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Gerard Meijssen<gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
> What do you not understand ?
That is not for you to say.

> It has been explained to you that the en approach is not compatible with what happens elsewhere.
What does this even mean? Nothing has been "explained." Terse and
useless "go away's" do not suffice as explanations.

> This list is explicitly NOT about the en policies.
Dispute resolution is not particular to en.wiki. Others can benefit
from en.wiki's "policies" and likewise en.wiki can benefit from
understanding how others handle their issues.

> You have been politely asked to go away..
This is actually a contradiction of terms, though you state the
concept quite nicely.

> Now what does it take for you to move on with this nonsense ?
Are you speaking in an official capacity?

-Steven

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On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:48 PM, stevertigo<stvrtg@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gerard Meijssen<gerard.meijssen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> What do you not understand ?
> That is not for you to say.
>
>> It has been explained to you that the en approach is not compatible with what happens elsewhere.
> What does this even mean? Nothing has been "explained." Terse and
> useless "go away's" do not suffice as explanations.
>
>> This list is explicitly NOT about the en policies.
> Dispute resolution is not particular to en.wiki. Others can benefit
> from en.wiki's "policies" and likewise en.wiki can benefit from
> understanding how others handle their issues.
>
>> You have been politely asked to go away..
> This is actually a contradiction of terms, though you state the
> concept quite nicely.
>
>> Now what does it take for you to move on with this nonsense ?
> Are you speaking in an official capacity?
>
> -Steven
>
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I'm speaking as a volunteer: go away, and take your thread with you.
It is /not/ appropriate for foundation-l, period.

It is obvious to everyone that this thread exists for solely one reason:
for you to bitch and moan when you didn't get what you wanted on
your timetable. This is also not appropriate for foundation-l, period.

-Chad

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On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Chad<innocentkiller@gmail.com> wrote:


> I'm speaking as a volunteer: go away, and take your thread with you.
> It is /not/ appropriate for foundation-l, period.
>
> It is obvious to everyone that this thread exists for solely one reason:
> for you to bitch and moan when you didn't get what you wanted on
> your timetable. This is also not appropriate for foundation-l, period.

I think this violates DBAD, actually. CIVIL, too.
Do these even apply at the foundation level?

-Steven

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On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:56 PM, stevertigo <stvrtg@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Chad<innocentkiller@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > I'm speaking as a volunteer: go away, and take your thread with you.
> > It is /not/ appropriate for foundation-l, period.
> >
> > It is obvious to everyone that this thread exists for solely one reason:
> > for you to bitch and moan when you didn't get what you wanted on
> > your timetable. This is also not appropriate for foundation-l, period.
>
> I think this violates DBAD, actually. CIVIL, too.
> Do these even apply at the foundation level?
>
> -Steven
>

If you're referring to English Wikipedia policies, then isn't the answer
obvious?

You need on-wiki support and consensus for creating a new mailing list for
the English Wikipedia. Go forth and find it, then come back to Cary and I'm
sure he will create the list. It has nothing to do with the Foundation and
does not belong on Foundation-l, despite your post-hoc arguments to the
contrary.

Nathan
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No, really, you need to discuss this on wikien-l instead of here. This
has been explained to you by multiple people on multiple occasions. I'd
suggest someone enforce that if need be.

Thanks,
-Mike

On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 12:24 -0700, stevertigo wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Chad<innocentkiller@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't care who's proposing it, to be honest. My issue is that
> > this thread does not belong on foundation-l, which others seem
> > to agree since I first said so some 14 posts ago. Take it back
> > to wikien-l, /please/.
>
> If you could offer some actual substantive points - as I have in
> point-by-point form - for why this belongs elsewhere, I might just do
> exactly that.
>
> Though crossposting is also an option, if one likes integrating things as I do.
>
> -Steven
>
>
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On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:12 PM, stevertigo<stvrtg@gmail.com> wrote:
> I started a thread on Wikien-l last month suggesting we start a
> dispute resolution mailing list:
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikien-l/2009-June/101428.html
>
> Responses were largely positive, and what little criticism the idea
> got (much of it from Thomas Dalton) was fairly easy to deal with.
> I filed bug report requesting the list's creation on June 27, which
> was assigned to C.Bass
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=19414 . I also emailed
> C.Bass directly.
>
> I'm curious as to the status of this. Its been a month. I've gotten no
> response from C.Bass, and the bug report has been thus far untouched
> or ignored. I realize of course that people are very very busy, and
> that private emails, bug reports, and wikien-l discussions are not the
> appropriate avenues for discussing a new open email list. That's why
> I'm mentioning it here.

As numerous people have already pointed out, this discussion has no
place on Foundation-l—in fact, nearly every reply has said as much.
No productive discussion on the topic has arisen in the 48 hours the
thread's been active, and it's officially become a nuisance.

Sorry, Steven—you'll have to find another forum for promoting your agenda.

Austin

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--- On Fri, 7/24/09, stevertigo <stvrtg@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: stevertigo <stvrtg@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Dispute resolution mailing list
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
> Date: Friday, July 24, 2009, 2:56 PM
> On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:54 PM,
> Chad<innocentkiller@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> > I'm speaking as a volunteer: go away, and take your
> thread with you.
> > It is /not/ appropriate for foundation-l, period.
> >
> > It is obvious to everyone that this thread exists for
> solely one reason:
> > for you to bitch and moan when you didn't get what you
> wanted on
> > your timetable. This is also not appropriate for
> foundation-l, period.
>
> I think this violates DBAD, actually. CIVIL, too.
> Do these even apply at the foundation level?
>
> -Steven
>

The foundation is not really like en.WP bumped up another level. We rarely get into policing such issues on this mailing list and that is nowhere near past tolerance levels, because of among other things features in this medium that are absent from the wikis. You see everyone's email program has some form of blacklist. If someone is bothering you, you only need to place them on ignore. If they say something super important someone more reliable will certainly reply to it bring it to your attention. All kinds of little annoyances are solved by this ignore feature, especially people who don't seem to understand what issues belong on this list. Why I have two . . . or now I should say three people on ignore for that reason alone. It saves a great deal of argument.

Birgitte SB





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On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Birgitte SB<birgitte_sb@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The foundation is not really like en.WP bumped up another level. We rarely get into policing such issues on this mailing list and that is nowhere near past tolerance levels, because of among other things features in this medium that are absent from the wikis.

This is one of those rare occasions. Consider the thread killed. :)

Austin

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