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Hoi,
There is a project called "Wiki loves art/nl" In this project people make
pictures of objects in museums in the Netherlands. The thing I have been
wondering about is that the pictures are first published on Flickr and then
are copied into Commons.

This is a project of the Dutch WMF chapter and some other organisations. I
read it as "there are too many problems with posting on Commons directly".
The reason why I bring this up is because it demonstrates how Commons is not
thought of as the helpful project it should be and it is not only pikiwiki
that has a problem.
Thanks,
GerardM

2009/6/12 Ting Chen <wing.philopp@gmx.de>

> Hello,
>
> I had started a discussion on the Village Pump of Commons. I think
> Commons is a very important project, and a very complicated project.
> With more and more projects initiated by our chapters to encourage other
> organizations or individuals to give their content free and upload them
> to Commons it also becomes a fassade project of the Foundation and its
> chapters. This and other reasons make me think that we should as broadly
> as possible to discuss a few issues on Commons. The discussion is here:
>
>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#Some_reflections_about_the_governance_of_Common
>
> --
> Ting
>
> Ting's Blog: http://wingphilopp.blogspot.com/
>
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That is more to do with the interface to Commons, as I understand it,
rather than the governance of it. Flickr is seen as being much easier
to use. I believe that was also the origin of Pikiwiki - essentially
creating a better interface to Commons.

BTW, to date I've never had a problem with Commons (after >2000 edits
and >500 images uploaded).

Mike

On 15 Jun 2009, at 17:58, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

> Hoi,
> There is a project called "Wiki loves art/nl" In this project
> people make
> pictures of objects in museums in the Netherlands. The thing I have
> been
> wondering about is that the pictures are first published on Flickr
> and then
> are copied into Commons.
>
> This is a project of the Dutch WMF chapter and some other
> organisations. I
> read it as "there are too many problems with posting on Commons
> directly".
> The reason why I bring this up is because it demonstrates how
> Commons is not
> thought of as the helpful project it should be and it is not only
> pikiwiki
> that has a problem.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> 2009/6/12 Ting Chen <wing.philopp@gmx.de>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I had started a discussion on the Village Pump of Commons. I think
>> Commons is a very important project, and a very complicated project.
>> With more and more projects initiated by our chapters to encourage
>> other
>> organizations or individuals to give their content free and upload
>> them
>> to Commons it also becomes a fassade project of the Foundation and
>> its
>> chapters. This and other reasons make me think that we should as
>> broadly
>> as possible to discuss a few issues on Commons. The discussion is
>> here:
>>
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/
>> Commons:Village_pump#Some_reflections_about_the_governance_of_Common
>>
>> --
>> Ting
>>
>> Ting's Blog: http://wingphilopp.blogspot.com/
>>
>>
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The interface is only part of the problems which were identified. Also the
complicated procedures and the (sometimes considered hostile - although not
even always intentional) community were part of the equation. However, I do
agree that the interface is a huge problem, and fixing that would probably
make the odds to encounter a hostile community member smaller etc.

Lodewijk

2009/6/15 Michael Peel <email@mikepeel.net>

> That is more to do with the interface to Commons, as I understand it,
> rather than the governance of it. Flickr is seen as being much easier
> to use. I believe that was also the origin of Pikiwiki - essentially
> creating a better interface to Commons.
>
> BTW, to date I've never had a problem with Commons (after >2000 edits
> and >500 images uploaded).
>
> Mike
>
> On 15 Jun 2009, at 17:58, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > There is a project called "Wiki loves art/nl" In this project
> > people make
> > pictures of objects in museums in the Netherlands. The thing I have
> > been
> > wondering about is that the pictures are first published on Flickr
> > and then
> > are copied into Commons.
> >
> > This is a project of the Dutch WMF chapter and some other
> > organisations. I
> > read it as "there are too many problems with posting on Commons
> > directly".
> > The reason why I bring this up is because it demonstrates how
> > Commons is not
> > thought of as the helpful project it should be and it is not only
> > pikiwiki
> > that has a problem.
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
> >
> > 2009/6/12 Ting Chen <wing.philopp@gmx.de>
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I had started a discussion on the Village Pump of Commons. I think
> >> Commons is a very important project, and a very complicated project.
> >> With more and more projects initiated by our chapters to encourage
> >> other
> >> organizations or individuals to give their content free and upload
> >> them
> >> to Commons it also becomes a fassade project of the Foundation and
> >> its
> >> chapters. This and other reasons make me think that we should as
> >> broadly
> >> as possible to discuss a few issues on Commons. The discussion is
> >> here:
> >>
> >>
> >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/
> >> Commons:Village_pump#Some_reflections_about_the_governance_of_Common
> >>
> >> --
> >> Ting
> >>
> >> Ting's Blog: http://wingphilopp.blogspot.com/
> >>
> >>
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