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Re: FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility atwikinews[en] <warning: contains rant>
George Herbert wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Phil Nash
>> <pn007a2145@blueyonder.co.uk>wrote:
>>
>>> ...and it's always (in my experience) a difficult
>>> dichotomy between kicking these people out of the door and
>>> culturing their behaviour so as to benefit the encyclopedia.
>>
>>
>> I think this is somewhat of a false dichotomy - making a good faith
>> effort to warn and discuss and work with problematic editors is
>> almost always the best course, with banning an unfortunate less
>> desirable second choice if the situation persists for long periods
>> of time.
>>
>> Most people do respond well to good faith efforts to get them to
>> behave better...

Sorry, my experience is different; there are some editors whose behavioural
problems go on, and on, and on, yet are tolerated, because they contribute
"good content". But the overhead to others drains volunteer resources. And
when these people eventually get kicked out, they go to Wikipedia Review to
carp about injustice; sorry, but it's a classic case of "our house; our
rules", and I don't have a problem with subscribing to those rules. Those
that don't like them are perfectly free to start their own encyclopedia.



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Re: FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility atwikinews[en] <warning: contains rant> [ In reply to ]
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Phil Nash <pn007a2145@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Sorry, my experience is different; there are some editors whose behavioural
> problems go on, and on, and on, yet are tolerated, because they contribute
> "good content". But the overhead to others drains volunteer resources.

I can raise you on that - there are editors whose behavioral problems
go on and on, and yet they are tolerated because Wikipedia should be
free for all, and besides if one person has fights with ten different
people, then those ten people should stop ganging up on him...



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Re: FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility atwikinews[en] <warning: contains rant> [ In reply to ]
Andre Engels wrote:
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Phil Nash <pn007a2145@blueyonder.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Sorry, my experience is different; there are some editors whose
>> behavioural
>> problems go on, and on, and on, yet are tolerated, because they
>> contribute
>> "good content". But the overhead to others drains volunteer resources.
>
> I can raise you on that - there are editors whose behavioral problems
> go on and on, and yet they are tolerated because Wikipedia should be
> free for all, and besides if one person has fights with ten different
> people, then those ten people should stop ganging up on him...
>
Absolutely, and that one "super editor" will be defended by people with
their own agenda.

This is the basic reason why, instead of working out the minor technical
trouble I was having with AWB which curtailed my useful work, I took it as a
handy excuse to cut way back on my involvement.

I haven't been called a "nasty little Tony Sidaway sidekick" for months upon
months: I don't know what Tony thinks about it, but I for one don't miss it
at all.
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Re: FW: [Wikinews-l] Increased incivility atwikinews[en] <warning: contains rant> [ In reply to ]
Wikipedia is free for all to contribute, if they want to contribute to
Wikipedia, which is a group project designed to diminish personal
attachment, and means editing in a cooperative way. People who want to
write articles and get it their way are more likely to succeed if they
write them by themselves in the conventional way.

On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Phil Boswell <phil.boswell@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Andre Engels wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Phil Nash <pn007a2145@blueyonder.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, my experience is different; there are some editors whose
>>> behavioural
>>> problems go on, and on, and on, yet are tolerated, because they
>>> contribute
>>> "good content". But the overhead to others drains volunteer resources.
>>
>> I can raise you on that - there are editors whose behavioral problems
>> go on and on, and yet they are tolerated because Wikipedia should be
>> free for all, and besides if one person has fights with ten different
>> people, then those ten people should stop ganging up on him...
>>
> Absolutely, and that one "super editor" will be defended by people with
> their own agenda.
>
> This is the basic reason why, instead of working out the minor technical
> trouble I was having with AWB which curtailed my useful work, I took it as a
> handy excuse to cut way back on my involvement.
>
> I haven't been called a "nasty little Tony Sidaway sidekick" for months upon
> months: I don't know what Tony thinks about it, but I for one don't miss it
> at all.
> --
> Phil
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