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Everything takes time. The techs will handle it when they get around to it.




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From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>
To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org>; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 3:26:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] second-class wikis

Hoi,
Can someone please explain why this is ?
Thanks,
    GerardM

2009/2/1 Marcus Buck <wiki@marcusbuck.org>

> According to SiteMatrix we have 739 projects at the moment. There are
> three master partitions for the servers: s1 for enwiki only, s2 for 19
> other projects and s3 for all the rest (that's 719 projects).
>
> My homewiki is one of those 719 projects. And I feel a bit neglected.
> Replication is halted since 34 days. LuceneSearch 2.1 is active on
> enwiki since October and on dewiki and some other big wikis since
> December. Most other wikis have still no access to the new features.
> Even the "+incategory:" feature which is active on enwiki since April
> 2008 is not active on most wikis as of February 2009.
>
> It seems, we are very low at the priority list.
>
> Marcus Buck
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Geoffrey Plourde hett schreven:
> Everything takes time. The techs will handle it when they get around to it.
>
That's a true answer, but at the same time as useless as it can be.
If it's indeed only a matter of "getting around to it" (is it?), then
the fact that they didn't came around to it since April 2008 would
proove my "accusation" that the "little projects" are indeed regarded
second-class.

Marcus Buck

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On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Marcus Buck <me@marcusbuck.org> wrote:
> That's a true answer, but at the same time as useless as it can be.
> If it's indeed only a matter of "getting around to it" (is it?), then
> the fact that they didn't came around to it since April 2008 would
> proove my "accusation" that the "little projects" are indeed regarded
> second-class.

The reason s3 replication is halted on the toolserver and not s1 or s2
is apparently because Wikimedia deleted the needed s3 logs but not the
s1 or s2 logs. The reason they did this is probably because the
master database server for s3 ran out of disk space more quickly than
the masters for s1 and s2, requiring more old logs to be deleted.
It's not because of discrimination against the little projects, it's
mainly just dumb luck that s3 is what got hit (maybe the server had
less free disk space for some reason, or more logs).

The reimport process could have started sooner. However, new servers
were about to arrive, so River decided to postpone it until they did,
for administrative convenience.

I don't think any of this is some plot against the small wikis. I
remember a very long period of time when s1 (and only s1, the English
Wikipedia) was continuously lagged hours, days, or longer, while s2
(and s3, if that existed by then) was up-to-date. This, again, was
for technical reasons, not political ones.

This should really be on toolserver-l, though.

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