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On 11/28/08, THURNER rupert <rupert.thurner@wikimedia.ch> wrote:
> some sites to cite an article about medical visualization [2]. when
> looking at it i noticed:
> * that it is published in a cc-2.5 licensed journal
> * that there is a possibility to enter links from facebook, stumble upon,
> ...
> * that there is no link to do make a reference in wiki*
>
> would it make sense that a wikimedia page allows referencing such an
> article? the functions of such a page could be:
> * enter it in a (not yet existing) references library (bibtex or whatever)
> * add it to a portal talk page selected by the user (like medicine)
> * add it to project selected by the user (like wpedia, wversity, ...)
>
> imo the advantages would be that on one hand quality may rise through
> better citations, on the other hand having a citation library where
> researchers in future want to be and need to be.

It would be easy use javascript to fill out a {{cite news}} template
or whatever based on the url parameters. However the intersection of
"sites we want to newcomers to easily link to" and "sites which take
us seriously enough to provide a url for doing so" might be smaller
than we'd hope.

—C.W.

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Hi all,

IMO there are no restrictions for citing an article originally
published in a commercial journal. Scientists do this all the time
within their own works, for academic purposes. Commercial journals
want this in order to drive interest/traffic to their sites. However,
most commercial academic publishers are extremely expensive. Elsevier
publications, for example, operate at up to 38% profit, as discussed
in WSJ and Wash Post. There are ALSO many non-profit/academic/free
citation databases which provide these same scientific and academic
articles. Some considerations of providing links to cited articles:

1. When a link is provided to a commercial publisher/journal, there is
no assurance the link location will not change over time. Link
resolvers are used to manage this issue, these are onerous and
expensive to buy and run. Providing a DOI, digital object identifier,
is the cleanest way to assure you are providing a consistent reference
to the item you are citing.
2. Any work funded by the US Government, is licensed by the government
to be used "for government purposes." There is some intra-governmental
debate over this, some arguing that the governments' stated mission is
to make all federally funded research results publicly available (to
the public, not just to commercial subscribers.) Others arguing that
commercial publication should be protected and encouraged for
providing peer-review process. NIH is currently embroiled in an
attempt by Congressmen Conyers to repeal legislation enacted in
January, 2008, requiring open-access to NIH funded research results.
Here is a link to further info on that: http://depaullaw.typepad.com/library/2008/10/publisher-backl.html
. In addition: Cornell University has some good information on this
subject:http://www.library.cornell.edu/scholarlycomm/openaccessday.html
3. There are ample open-access resources where this material is hosted
that duplicate commercial publishers, where the links would be more
stable and free from copyright or other restrictions. Some of these
are: Office of Scientific & Technical Information: http: //www.science.gov
, PubMed Central: http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/, arXiv: http://arxiv.org/
, California Digital Library:http://repositories.cdlib.org/escholarship/

I hope this addresses the line of discussion.

Voxhumana


On Nov 28, 2008, at 7:00 AM, Charlotte Webb wrote:

> On 11/28/08, THURNER rupert <rupert.thurner@wikimedia.ch> wrote:
>> some sites to cite an article about medical visualization [2]. when
>> looking at it i noticed:
>> * that it is published in a cc-2.5 licensed journal
>> * that there is a possibility to enter links from facebook, stumble
>> upon,
>> ...
>> * that there is no link to do make a reference in wiki*
>>
>> would it make sense that a wikimedia page allows referencing such an
>> article? the functions of such a page could be:
>> * enter it in a (not yet existing) references library (bibtex or
>> whatever)
>> * add it to a portal talk page selected by the user (like medicine)
>> * add it to project selected by the user (like wpedia, wversity, ...)
>>
>> imo the advantages would be that on one hand quality may rise through
>> better citations, on the other hand having a citation library where
>> researchers in future want to be and need to be.
>
> It would be easy use javascript to fill out a {{cite news}} template
> or whatever based on the url parameters. However the intersection of
> "sites we want to newcomers to easily link to" and "sites which take
> us seriously enough to provide a url for doing so" might be smaller
> than we'd hope.
>
> —C.W.
>
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2008/11/28 Charlotte Webb <charlottethewebb@gmail.com>:
> It would be easy use javascript to fill out a {{cite news}} template
> or whatever based on the url parameters. However the intersection of
> "sites we want to newcomers to easily link to" and "sites which take
> us seriously enough to provide a url for doing so" might be smaller
> than we'd hope.
>
> —C.W.

Template is Cite:jounal

There is actualy a study on how wikipedia cites journals floating
around. Aside from a slight bias in favor of high impact journals and
an anomaly produced by a very active wikiproject wikipedia's citation
distribution by impact factor is fairly standard.


--
geni

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