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Sub-national chapters Q&A
These are some questions and answers the staff suggested on sub-national
chapters. As mentioned, these are more preliminary than definitive. The
observant will detect that they were prepared before the board met,
because it refers to Brazil as a large country without a chapter, but
the board approved a chapter for Brazil at its meeting.

Q What do chapters do?

A Currently, each chapter carries out a unique mix of activities as it
sees fit. Most chapters engage in the following program activities: 1.,
Public outreach, advocacy and media relations work on behalf of the
projects; 2., volunteer recruitment and coordination; 3., development
and execution of non-monetary partnerships designed to increase quality
(e.g., A TV program donates 100 interviews under a free license); 4.
technical work such as MediaWiki software development and provision of
dedicated hardware and software infrastructure which supports the local
community. In order to fund those activities, chapters generally aim to
bring in revenues, typically via some combination of fundraising, grant
seeking and business development.

Q Where do chapters exist today?

A Chapters exist in 17 countries. See
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Local_chapters for the complete list.

Q Is the main argument in favour of sub-national chapters geography
(meaning, the United States is so big that people from Florida and
California will never naturally work together)?

A Some very large countries have formed chapters (e.g., Russia,
Australia, Argentina) and some very large countries have not (e.g.,
China, Canada, the United States, Brazil, India): it's hard to separate
out the role that geographic size has played. However, anecdotally, we
do know that Canadian and American volunteers have cited geographic size
of their countries as inhibiting their ability to form a nation-based
chapter, which has led to their wanting to form sub-national chapters.
So it probably does play some role, for some countries.

Q Should countries be required to form a nation-based chapter before
sub-national chapters can be formed?

A No. Where sub-national chapters are formed, we shouldn't presuppose
that a nation-based chapter is necessary or even desirable.

Q Should we distinguish in any way among different types of sub-national
chapters, such as state-based versus city-based?

A No. All sub-national chapters should have the same status. There's no
compelling reason to differentiate between for example a Wikimedia
Banagalore (city) and a Wikimedia Karnataka (state).

Q Should the Wikimedia Foundation allow sub-national chapters to form
where geographic boundaries are disputed?

A Provided that the local community can form an organization with legal
standing, there is no reason not to form a sub-national chapter in
regions with disputed geographic boundaries. It's important to note that
Wikimedia does not take a point of view on contentious political issues,
so it should not be part of the purpose of any chapter to advocate for
or against resolution of a particular political dispute one way or another.

Q Aren't we setting up sub-national chapters to compete for funding with
nation-based chapters?

A Thus far, our experience suggests that lots of people and
organizations want to help fund Wikimedia. We have not had a challenge
finding potential funders – our challenges have centred around our lack
of capacity to cultivate and steward funders. In other words, more
organizations mandated to solicit funding would be a good thing for the
Wikimedia movement.

It's also true that every funder has different interests and
motivations. Many are constrained to a specific geographic area or a
specific field of interest. Sub-national chapters may be effective at
securing regional funding that a nation-based chapter could overlook or
be less suited to.

However, we shouldn't rule out the possibility that in the future
sub-national chapters may be in competition with nation-based chapters,
or even with the Wikimedia Foundation, for funds – resulting in a kind
of 'natural selection' process in which some entities thrive and others
do not. In our view, that is not a terrible outcome.

Q In the United States (and possibly other countries), it is possible to
take advantage of something called the “group exemption” - which allows
an existing non-profit to act as the parent organization for its
sub-groups, thereby allowing the sub-groups to exist as non-profits
without themselves needing to file the necessary paperwork. Should the
Wikimedia Foundation, or a Wikimedia U.S. organization, act as the
parent organization for U.S.-based sub-national chapters, enabling
sub-national chapters to take advantage of the group exemption?

A No, for a number of reasons.

It is true that the Wikimedia Foundation could serve as the parent
organization for any prospective U.S.-based sub-national chapters.
However, we feel that would be inadvisable for the following reasons:

*The chapters are intended to function independently from the Wikimedia
Foundation. However, the group exemption requires the affiliated
entities to be “subordinates” “under the control” of the parent
organization. This is inconsistent with how we view the relationship
between the Foundation and the chapters.

*The Wikimedia Foundation is an international organization based in the
United States. The experience of the U.S.-based sub-national chapters
should, as much as possible, be protected from distorting influences due
to the Wikimedia Foundation's presence in the same country. As much as
possible, we want the U.S.-based sub-national chapters to travel the
same path and have the same experiences as sub-national chapters
elsewhere. To do otherwise would be to risk unintended negative
consequences to both.

*There may be legal issues. We would not want to create legal exposure
for U.S.-based sub-national chapters, due to association with the
Wikimedia Foundation.

*It doesn't actually save that much paperwork. For example, under a
group exemption, each sub-national chapter must still file tax returns.

--Michael Snow



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Re: Sub-national chapters Q&A [ In reply to ]
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Michael Snow <wikipedia@verizon.net>wrote:
>
> Q Where do chapters exist today?
>
> A Chapters exist in 17 countries. See
> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Local_chapters for the complete list.
>

19* :-)

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Re: Sub-national chapters Q&A [ In reply to ]
At the risk of revealing my ignorance, I thought that there were other more
significant barriers to creating subnational chapters in the United States.
Filing a tax return is not that difficult, and not always even required at
certain income thresholds (though I gather something has changed in this
regard in the last year or two).

From your e-mail, Michael, I take it that the formation of a national
Wikimedia chapter in the United States would not be opposed by the Board?
There are many structures such an organization could take in order to limit
the impact of geographic scope, including having subordinate "east" and
"west" units that work under the national umbrella.

Nathan
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Re: Sub-national chapters Q&A [ In reply to ]
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Nathan <nawrich@gmail.com> wrote:
> From your e-mail, Michael, I take it that the formation of a national
> Wikimedia chapter in the United States would not be opposed by the Board?
> There are many structures such an organization could take in order to limit
> the impact of geographic scope, including having subordinate "east" and
> "west" units that work under the national umbrella.

I don't think the board has expressed any particular opposition to the
idea of a USA national chapter. In reality, there has been so little
volunteer activity in creating one that the board has probably written
it off as a very unlikely event. There are going to be subnational
chapters in the USA long before critical mass builds behind the idea
of making a national one.

--Andrew Whitworth

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Re: Sub-national chapters Q&A [ In reply to ]
Andrew Whitworth wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Nathan <nawrich@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> From your e-mail, Michael, I take it that the formation of a national
>> Wikimedia chapter in the United States would not be opposed by the Board?
>> There are many structures such an organization could take in order to limit
>> the impact of geographic scope, including having subordinate "east" and
>> "west" units that work under the national umbrella.
>>
> I don't think the board has expressed any particular opposition to the
> idea of a USA national chapter. In reality, there has been so little
> volunteer activity in creating one that the board has probably written
> it off as a very unlikely event. There are going to be subnational
> chapters in the USA long before critical mass builds behind the idea
> of making a national one.
>
There's no opposition to a national chapter for the US, correct. Or, to
look at it in a different way, in the past people have wondered if the
Wikimedia Foundation itself would act as the national US chapter. The
answer to that is no, the Wikimedia Foundation is purely the global
organization to support our projects. It happens to be based in the US
because that's most convenient, but otherwise it's not intended to be
nation-specific.

--Michael Snow


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