Mailing List Archive: Re: foundation-l Digest, Vol 55, Issue 48

Re: foundation-l Digest, Vol 55, Issue 48

Oct 19, 2008, 5:57 AM

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On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 1:39 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:

>> This code is according to the standard to be used by Tosk Albanian
>> while we use it for "Alsatian". This is not acceptable for what we
>> currently do, making it compulsory for future new projects is not
>> acceptable either. Projects like these should be renamed as they
>> are squatting ligitimate codes for ligitimate languages.

Chad answered:

> Asking people to change their URLs is not a good idea. Let's say the
> standards changed and EN was no longer English. Do you honestly
> think we'd move en.wiki just because some standards body says we're
> using the wrong code?
>
> While I agree that it's best practice to follow the standard,
> forcing a subdomain change on a project simply to follow a standard
> is absurd.

I cannot agree. We have standards to make the world a better place. In
ISO 639 and RFC 4646 we have worked hard to give the right support to
everybody. If Alsatian and Tosk are in conflict, that's got to be
taken seriously.

From: "Gerard Meijssen" <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com>

> The standards did not change. The standard that gave the English
> language the code en has been around since 2002. People chose to
> ignore the standard and abused codes like als in stead of gsw, they
> ignored the fact that the best common practice states that you
> should not mix the codes with invented codes. Using codes that are
> absolutely wrong should not be used for any new projects. These
> projects should be renamed.

I'll agree.

> Renaming and leaving a redirect in place is indeed a great way to
> move forward.

And if you're Tosk?

M

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Re: foundation-l Digest, Vol 55, Issue 48 [ In reply to ]

shimgray at gmail

Oct 19, 2008, 6:02 AM

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2008/10/19 Michael Everson <everson@evertype.com>:

>> Renaming and leaving a redirect in place is indeed a great way to
>> move forward.
>
> And if you're Tosk?

I don't think anyone's argued against allocating it to Tosk as and
when that becomes practical. There's been no move as yet - as far as
I'm aware from last time this was discussed - to create a Tosk
project. When there is, the redirect can presumably be turned off.

In which case. renaming and redirecting sooner is better than doing it
later, so as to allow a decent transitional period.

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- Andrew Gray
andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk

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Re: foundation-l Digest, Vol 55, Issue 48 [ In reply to ]

gerard.meijssen at gmail

Oct 19, 2008, 6:22 AM

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Hoi,
When people want to have a Tosk Wikipedia, we have the problem that the
current sq or Albanian Wikipedia is probably already mostly Tosk. This I do
not know for sure .. There is already a request for a Wikipedia in Gheg
Albanian.

When the request for Tosk is made and, when the Tosk project is about to be
approved, we have a moment to turn off the redirect. The drawback of this
timing is that it leaves no period where the als code turned black. Maybe it
is better not to redirect but to have a page indicating that the project has
been redirected with a clickable link to the right page. This will help
people to find their Alsatian Wikipedia.
Thanks.
GerardM

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Andrew Gray <shimgray@gmail.com> wrote:

> 2008/10/19 Michael Everson <everson@evertype.com>:
>
> >> Renaming and leaving a redirect in place is indeed a great way to
> >> move forward.
> >
> > And if you're Tosk?
>
> I don't think anyone's argued against allocating it to Tosk as and
> when that becomes practical. There's been no move as yet - as far as
> I'm aware from last time this was discussed - to create a Tosk
> project. When there is, the redirect can presumably be turned off.
>
> In which case. renaming and redirecting sooner is better than doing it
> later, so as to allow a decent transitional period.
>
> --
> - Andrew Gray
> andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk
>
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