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>[wikicharts]
>>Thanks for that, I'll take a look.
>Wow. You didn't know about that?
>We really need to solve these communications problems because it's
>utterly miserable that we've got people complaining that we need X
>when they aren't aware of the kinda-X that we already have. This seems
>to happen very frequently :(

Wikicharts doesnt even have an option for en.wikibooks. We've asked about this and gotten no reply from leon or anybody else involved with this. That's part of my initial problem, that Wikibooks wants X and doesnt have kinda-X either.

If people say that there is code in the SVN for page counting off the squid logs, that's a good solution from my end. The sooner the better, but if there is a solution in the pipeline then I wont hassle anybody about it anymore.

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On 03/10/2007, Erik Moeller <erik@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> On 10/3/07, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell@gmail.com> wrote:

> > We really need to solve these communications problems because it's
> > utterly miserable that we've got people complaining that we need X
> > when they aren't aware of the kinda-X that we already have. This seems
> > to happen very frequently :(

> You wouldn't believe how many people don't know about the toolserver
> at all. It needs a little bit of PR. :-)


You're on the comcom list. I hereby delegate the task to you!


- d.

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On 10/3/07, David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com> wrote:
> You're on the comcom list. I hereby delegate the task to you!

OK, I should be able to find some room for it around 2012.
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On 10/3/07, Andrew Whitworth <wknight8111@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >[wikicharts]
> >>Thanks for that, I'll take a look.
> >Wow. You didn't know about that?
> >We really need to solve these communications problems because it's
> >utterly miserable that we've got people complaining that we need X
> >when they aren't aware of the kinda-X that we already have. This seems
> >to happen very frequently :(
>
> Wikicharts doesnt even have an option for en.wikibooks. We've asked about this and gotten no reply from leon or anybody else involved with this. That's part of my initial problem, that Wikibooks wants X and doesnt have kinda-X either.
>
Leon has been away for some time. Remember that almost everybody is a
volunteer and volunteers generally take longer than paid people.

Bryan

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On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, Bryan Tong Minh wrote:

> On 10/3/07, Andrew Whitworth <wknight8111@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [wikicharts]
>>>> Thanks for that, I'll take a look.
>>> Wow. You didn't know about that?
>>> We really need to solve these communications problems because it's
>>> utterly miserable that we've got people complaining that we need X
>>> when they aren't aware of the kinda-X that we already have. This seems
>>> to happen very frequently :(
>>
>> Wikicharts doesnt even have an option for en.wikibooks. We've asked
>> about this and gotten no reply from leon or anybody else involved with
>> this. That's part of my initial problem, that Wikibooks wants X and
>> doesnt have kinda-X either.
>
> Leon has been away for some time. Remember that almost everybody is a
> volunteer and volunteers generally take longer than paid people.

This last comment is a nonsequitur. 'Asking about this and not getting a
response' is a systemic communication problem, which can be fixed
regardless of who is directly working on a given project.

It is also untrue. Volunteering and speed of response are also not
directly related; some of the most reliably responsive people, outpacing
official staff, are volunteers - in WP as elsewhere.

The commitment and reliability of volunteers varies with context, as
might be expected; the most committed people in the world are zealots
who, more often than not, are volunteers for their cause of choice.
And organizations dealing with daily life and death situations have
long relied on the courage, stamina, and dedication of volunteers.

SJ

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On 10/3/07, SJ Klein <meta.sj@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is also untrue. Volunteering and speed of response are also not
> directly related; some of the most reliably responsive people, outpacing
> official staff, are volunteers - in WP as elsewhere.
>
I'm not saying that volunteers can't do things quickly. I'm saying
that you can not expect volunteers to work quickly.

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On Wed, 3 Oct 2007, Erik Moeller wrote:

> On 10/3/07, David Gerard <dgerard@gmail.com> wrote:
>> You're on the comcom list. I hereby delegate the task to you!
>
> OK, I should be able to find some room for it around 2012.

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It's not that easy.

On 10/3/07, Dan Rosenthal <swatjester@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> {{sofixit}}?
>
> -Dan Rosenthal
>
> On Oct 3, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
>
> > On 10/3/07, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org> wrote:
> >>
> >
> > Wow. You didn't know about that?
> >
> > We really need to solve these communications problems because it's
> > utterly miserable that we've got people complaining that we need X
> > when they aren't aware of the kinda-X that we already have. This seems
> > to happen very frequently :(
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I never said it would be, or needs to be easy. But if communications
are a problem, we can start fixing it somehow, or we can sit here and
gripe and moan about it and never do anything about it. We have many
talented community members who can help.

-Dan

On Oct 3, 2007, at 3:52 PM, Casey Brown wrote:

> It's not that easy.
>
> On 10/3/07, Dan Rosenthal <swatjester@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> {{sofixit}}?
>>
>> -Dan Rosenthal
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/3/07, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil@wikinewsie.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Wow. You didn't know about that?
>>>
>>> We really need to solve these communications problems because it's
>>> utterly miserable that we've got people complaining that we need X
>>> when they aren't aware of the kinda-X that we already have. This
>>> seems
>>> to happen very frequently :(
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>Leon has been away for some time. Remember that almost everybody is a
>volunteer and volunteers generally take longer than paid people.

I say "I am looking for a solution to this problem". You (general you) say "Leon already has a solution to this problem". I say "I've sent him a message and gotten no response". You say "He is a volunteer and can't be expected to help in a timely manner". I say "I am still looking for a solution to this problem".

Circular discussions aside, it appears the problem has been resolved. Thanks to Leon and anybody else who helped with this.

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yup special thanks to greg maxwell as well !!!!

thanks

mark

On 10/3/07, Andrew Whitworth <wknight8111@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >Leon has been away for some time. Remember that almost everybody is a
> >volunteer and volunteers generally take longer than paid people.
>
> I say "I am looking for a solution to this problem". You (general you) say
> "Leon already has a solution to this problem". I say "I've sent him a
> message and gotten no response". You say "He is a volunteer and can't be
> expected to help in a timely manner". I say "I am still looking for a
> solution to this problem".
>
> Circular discussions aside, it appears the problem has been resolved.
> Thanks to Leon and anybody else who helped with this.
>
> --Andrew Whitworth
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