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Stuart D. Gathman wrote:
> http://www.openspf.org/Test_Suite
>
> Fixes a bug causing TXT ONLY implementations to fail for some tests.
> Adds more test cases for exp= and redirect= semantics.

| io:~/source/spf/test-suite> grep '$Id' rfc4408-tests.yml rfc4408-tests-2007.01.yml
| rfc4408-tests.yml:# $Id: rfc4408-tests.yml 72 2007-01-14 04:53:26Z Stuart Gathman $
| rfc4408-tests-2007.01.yml:# $Id: rfc4408-tests-2007.01.yml 74 2007-01-14 05:22:51Z Stuart Gathman $

How is it possible that the 2007.01 release is newer than the "trunk"
version? Can you please fix that? (I'd like to adopt the real 2007.01
test-suite for Mail::SPF, but I'm confused about the revisions.)

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Julian Mehnle wrote:

> How is it possible that the 2007.01 release is newer than the "trunk"
> version? Can you please fix that? (I'd like to adopt the real 2007.01
> test-suite for Mail::SPF, but I'm confused about the revisions.)

I added the release notes to the release version.

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Stuart D. Gathman wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Julian Mehnle wrote:
> > How is it possible that the 2007.01 release is newer than the "trunk"
> > version? Can you please fix that? (I'd like to adopt the real
> > 2007.01 test-suite for Mail::SPF, but I'm confused about the
> > revisions.)
>
> I added the release notes to the release version.

I'd say that the release tags should ever only be copies of any trunk
revisions.

BTW, I had a little chat with Norman Maurer (jSPF) on IRC today. He
pointed out that the test-suite doesn't really have its own license, which
seems to be a problem for the jSPF project. They cannot include the
test-suite file unless we distribute it under a ASL-compatible license.

I propose we switch to a "tags/trunk" repository layout and add a release
notes file (README) and a BSD license.

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On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Julian Mehnle wrote:

> BTW, I had a little chat with Norman Maurer (jSPF) on IRC today. He
> pointed out that the test-suite doesn't really have its own license, which
> seems to be a problem for the jSPF project. They cannot include the
> test-suite file unless we distribute it under a ASL-compatible license.
>
> I propose we switch to a "tags/trunk" repository layout and add a release
> notes file (README) and a BSD license.

The license should require modifications from the official council
version to be clearly marked. Or perhaps just requiring an URL
to the official council version would be sufficient.

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Stuart D. Gathman wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Julian Mehnle wrote:
> > BTW, I had a little chat with Norman Maurer (jSPF) on IRC today. He
> > pointed out that the test-suite doesn't really have its own license,
> > which seems to be a problem for the jSPF project. They cannot include
> > the test-suite file unless we distribute it under a ASL-compatible
> > license.
> >
> > I propose we switch to a "tags/trunk" repository layout and add a
> > release notes file (README) and a BSD license.
>
> The license should require modifications from the official council
> version to be clearly marked. Or perhaps just requiring an URL
> to the official council version would be sufficient.

I'm not sure we need "official-ness" to be ensured via the license. That
would just make the thing non-free. Rather, we might want to build an MD5
sum and add that to the copyright statement, whose non-freeness is
commonly accepted even by Debian and the like.

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Stuart D. Gathman wrote:
> [2007.01 test-suite release]
>
> http://www.openspf.org/Test_Suite
>
> Fixes a bug causing TXT ONLY implementations to fail for some tests.
> Adds more test cases for exp= and redirect= semantics.

I propose we "unrelease" 2007.01 by deleting the tag copy in the svn repo
and removing the corresponding link on the Test Suite page (but leaving
the text intact and perhaps adding a note explaining what happened), and
that we then prepare for a 2007.01.<day> or 2007.02 release.

Should we generally move to a YYYY.MM.DD version numbering scheme?

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On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Julian Mehnle wrote:

> > Fixes a bug causing TXT ONLY implementations to fail for some tests.
> > Adds more test cases for exp= and redirect= semantics.
>
> I propose we "unrelease" 2007.01 by deleting the tag copy in the svn repo
> and removing the corresponding link on the Test Suite page (but leaving
> the text intact and perhaps adding a note explaining what happened), and
> that we then prepare for a 2007.01.<day> or 2007.02 release.

Why? I still maintain the tests are correct... It implements the
precise words of the spec with regard to "exp=". It implements
what nearly everyone agrees is meant by unknown-modifier (not matching
exp or redirect). Which test is is error again?

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Stuart D. Gathman wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Julian Mehnle wrote:
> > I propose we "unrelease" 2007.01 by deleting the tag copy in the svn
> > repo and removing the corresponding link on the Test Suite page (but
> > leaving the text intact and perhaps adding a note explaining what
> > happened), and that we then prepare for a 2007.01.<day> or 2007.02
> > release.
>
> Why? I still maintain the tests are correct... It implements the
> precise words of the spec with regard to "exp=". It implements
> what nearly everyone agrees is meant by unknown-modifier (not matching
> exp or redirect). Which test is is error again?

Using Mail::SPF::Test's yaml-test script (which in turn tests Mail::SPF):

Test: exp-empty-domain
Result: permerror (Missing required domain-spec in 'exp=')
ERROR: Expected result: fail
Description: Ignore exp if empty domain-spec.

domain-spec cannot be empty, but the 2007.11 test-suite expects the
implementation to allow it to be.

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On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Julian Mehnle wrote:

> Test: exp-empty-domain
> Result: permerror (Missing required domain-spec in 'exp=')
> ERROR: Expected result: fail
> Description: Ignore exp if empty domain-spec.
>
> domain-spec cannot be empty, but the 2007.11 test-suite expects the
> implementation to allow it to be.

Because RFC4408 says to. End of discussion. If you feel the RFC is in error,
I have already added the errata - and the (admittedly second) alternative
is what you want to happen. As it stands, the instructions are to
ignore empty domain.

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Stuart D. Gathman wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Jan 2007, Julian Mehnle wrote:
> > Test: exp-empty-domain
> > Result: permerror (Missing required domain-spec in 'exp=')
> > ERROR: Expected result: fail
> > Description: Ignore exp if empty domain-spec.
> >
> > domain-spec cannot be empty, but the 2007.11 test-suite expects the
> > implementation to allow it to be.
>
> Because RFC4408 says to. End of discussion. If you feel the RFC is in
> error, I have already added the errata - and the (admittedly second)
> alternative is what you want to happen. As it stands, the instructions
> are to ignore empty domain.

Fine, let's bring this to the new council for decision in February.

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