If someone would be kind enough to tell me what I need to put in my
amavis/postfix/spamassassin in order to add the headers myself, I will
gladly do it and never post about it again. I just want my mail to sort - I
don't care how. But adding another 3rd party program just to do it doesn't
make much sense.
My only point is that if someone hates the "SA-Tag", they probably also want
to get rid of the "RE's" and the other garbage so they probably already have
a mechanism to get rid of it all. Not having tags just means the guys that
hate it still have their "Re:" removers and the guys that want it have to
add one.
> There is more than one way to filter. Don't do it on subject. Do it on
> To:, From:, or a custom header, such as List-Id:. We don't expect you to
be
> an expert. We expect that you ask for help when needed -- instead <CHOP>
You missed one of the posts then. Our mail setup will let us filter based on
FROM and SUBJECT. Other filtering requires it to be a client side rule which
is bad. Outlook 2000/Exchange 5.5 is not that old and I suspect it's still
pretty common. I agree it's stupid that I can't filter on TO/CC. I'm not
THAT lazy.
Outlook Express actually does let you do it, but then again OE isn't a
corporate mailer.
I had no idea it was a huge debate (mac vs pc, ms vs linux). I'm actually
quite astounded.
Geoff
-----Original Message-----
From: Damian Gerow [mailto:freebsd@coal.sentex.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 4:21 PM
To: Geoff Dyment
Cc: spamassassin-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Subject Tag
Thus spake Geoff Dyment (geoff.dyment@searstravel.ca) [03/02/04 17:58]:
> I know that I'm not the only mail novice on the list that has no idea how
to
> mangle headers in transit to add/remove header/tags. We are not all
> dedicated Mail admins. But I'll keep all my mail in an unsorted mess to
save
> those 3 characters in your 40 char subject field. Although unless there's
> some simple regex rule that I can put in postfix or amavis, then you'll be
> rid of at least a few more of us evil non-experts.
There is more than one way to filter. Don't do it on subject. Do it on
To:, From:, or a custom header, such as List-Id:. We don't expect you to be
an expert. We expect that you ask for help when needed -- instead of
continuously arguing that you need the tag to filter, look at the
suggestions, ask for clarification, or ask for help.
Please, arguing that you can't filter without a subject tag is like saying
you can't leave your house because you're missing a shoelace. I understand
that some folks (notably, OE users) are going to have extreme difficulty
filtering. But for those who use a real e-mail client[1], this isn't that
big of a deal.
I have already asked the list moderators for their input on this subject, to
hopefully quash this moronic debate.
[1]This is not a jab at MS. This is not saying that you made crappy
choices. This is not saying that if it's not Linux, it's crap. This is
saying that, IMHO, Outlook Express does not suffice on *any* desktop as a
mail client. If Free is your perogative, check out Eudora, Thunderbird, and
Opera. I'm sure there are plenty of others. But OE just doesn't cut it.
IMHO.
amavis/postfix/spamassassin in order to add the headers myself, I will
gladly do it and never post about it again. I just want my mail to sort - I
don't care how. But adding another 3rd party program just to do it doesn't
make much sense.
My only point is that if someone hates the "SA-Tag", they probably also want
to get rid of the "RE's" and the other garbage so they probably already have
a mechanism to get rid of it all. Not having tags just means the guys that
hate it still have their "Re:" removers and the guys that want it have to
add one.
> There is more than one way to filter. Don't do it on subject. Do it on
> To:, From:, or a custom header, such as List-Id:. We don't expect you to
be
> an expert. We expect that you ask for help when needed -- instead <CHOP>
You missed one of the posts then. Our mail setup will let us filter based on
FROM and SUBJECT. Other filtering requires it to be a client side rule which
is bad. Outlook 2000/Exchange 5.5 is not that old and I suspect it's still
pretty common. I agree it's stupid that I can't filter on TO/CC. I'm not
THAT lazy.
Outlook Express actually does let you do it, but then again OE isn't a
corporate mailer.
I had no idea it was a huge debate (mac vs pc, ms vs linux). I'm actually
quite astounded.
Geoff
-----Original Message-----
From: Damian Gerow [mailto:freebsd@coal.sentex.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 4:21 PM
To: Geoff Dyment
Cc: spamassassin-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Subject Tag
Thus spake Geoff Dyment (geoff.dyment@searstravel.ca) [03/02/04 17:58]:
> I know that I'm not the only mail novice on the list that has no idea how
to
> mangle headers in transit to add/remove header/tags. We are not all
> dedicated Mail admins. But I'll keep all my mail in an unsorted mess to
save
> those 3 characters in your 40 char subject field. Although unless there's
> some simple regex rule that I can put in postfix or amavis, then you'll be
> rid of at least a few more of us evil non-experts.
There is more than one way to filter. Don't do it on subject. Do it on
To:, From:, or a custom header, such as List-Id:. We don't expect you to be
an expert. We expect that you ask for help when needed -- instead of
continuously arguing that you need the tag to filter, look at the
suggestions, ask for clarification, or ask for help.
Please, arguing that you can't filter without a subject tag is like saying
you can't leave your house because you're missing a shoelace. I understand
that some folks (notably, OE users) are going to have extreme difficulty
filtering. But for those who use a real e-mail client[1], this isn't that
big of a deal.
I have already asked the list moderators for their input on this subject, to
hopefully quash this moronic debate.
[1]This is not a jab at MS. This is not saying that you made crappy
choices. This is not saying that if it's not Linux, it's crap. This is
saying that, IMHO, Outlook Express does not suffice on *any* desktop as a
mail client. If Free is your perogative, check out Eudora, Thunderbird, and
Opera. I'm sure there are plenty of others. But OE just doesn't cut it.
IMHO.