Date: 2004-10-22T14:54:26
Editor: DanielQuinlan <quinlan@pathname.com>
Wiki: SpamAssassin Wiki
Page: SaProxyStatus
URL:
http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/SaProxyStatus remove loads of opinion and commentary, clean up page in general
Change Log:
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-= Caveat Emptor =
-
-The following is based on Internet googling and deep searching in sourceforge, apache, and so on. So, this only represents a view on reality, and my own on my journey through it.
-
- ''(JustinMason: please note that this page represents the opinions of one person, and does not represent those of the SpamAssassin development team.)''
-
-= Situation =
+= SAproxy Status =
Currently:
- * Pop3Proxy is "dormant":
+ * Pop3Proxy is not being actively developed at this time:
- Pop3Proxy author says he is not currently able to continue with it. Although Dan Mc Donald intention is to publish a repacked updated Pop3Proxy, he is short of time ...
+ Dan McDonald, the primary author, reports that he is not currently able to work on it due to time constraints.
- * SaProxy is ... in limbo
+ * SaProxy is in an indeterminate state at this time:
- SaProxy "evolver and curator" said that [
http://bugzilla.spamassassin.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2200 "We were unable to bring SAproxy/pop3proxy into the Apache Software Foundation therefore we are unfortunately unable to continue supporting it as part of the SpamAssassin project"]. So ... SaProxy could not move to apache (from sourceforge); seems that there were some legalities implications that avoided it. Perhaps somebody with perl knowledge could lead further the open source project? -in a non-apache based place-
+ [
http://bugzilla.spamassassin.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2200 bug 2200 states] that "We were unable to bring SAproxy/pop3proxy into the Apache Software Foundation therefore we are unfortunately unable to continue supporting it as part of the SpamAssassin project".
- ''(JustinMason: Dan Mc Donald preferred to keep his code licensed using 2.x's dual PAL/GPL licenses. Since we were moving SpamAssassin to the ASF, and since the Apache license was required for that, this meant we could not distribute or host Dan's code at Apache.)''
+ ''(JustinMason: Dan McDonald preferred to keep his code licensed using 2.x's dual PAL/GPL licenses. Since we were moving SpamAssassin to the ASF, and since the Apache license was required for that, this meant we could not distribute or host Dan's code at Apache.)''
- * SaProxy '''Phoenix''' may be on its way? (Dan Wing has been able to install it with SA 3.0)
+ * SAproxy '''Phoenix''' may be on its way. (Dan Wing has been able to install it with SA 3.0)
2004-Oct-22
Have a look to
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=5812011&forum_id=27500 - * SaProxy Pro is not free (and is dead!)
-
-STOP PRESS ... Oct 20 2004 ... visit www.statalabs.com ...
-
-[...] Stata Labs has been acquired by Yahoo! [...]
-
-[...] Will Yahoo! sell Bloomba or SAproxy Pro? '''At this time there are no plans for Yahoo! to sell Bloomba or SAproxy Pro''' [...]
-
- ... and the maker in order to fulfill perl artistic licence must release any changes made to SaProxy into the public domain (unless the author allows otherwise ...; that means, IMHO, the creator of Pop3Proxy; and, up to my knowledge, he has not granted otherwise ...)
-
- ''(JustinMason: I think you are misreading Perl's Artistic license. The Artistic license does not require release of all changes as the GPL does.)''
+ * SAproxy Pro is commercial software and may not be moving forward.
-But ... source code modifications are ... at least ... difficult to obtain:
+ As reported on www.statalabs.com on Oct 20 2004:
-- Have not been able to find packaged saproxy anywhere (either Stata Lab´s web either sourceforge) Perhaps others have better luck. And ... in sourceforge cvs, there are still most components of the packaging, but the latest changes have not been commited up to my knowledge for such a long time ... so, unless requested to Stata Labs, seems that modifications to open source code are not so available ... (I have some patches stored somewhere in my pc)
+ "[...] Stata Labs has been acquired by Yahoo! [...]"
-Said CVS still available for old SaProxy components at sourceforge: (under Pop3 header)
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/spamassassin/pop3/ + "[...] Will Yahoo! sell Bloomba or SAproxy Pro? '''At this time there are no plans for Yahoo! to sell Bloomba or SAproxy Pro [...]"
- * SaProxy and SpamAssassin at sourceforge are deep frozen. SaProxy list at sourceforge is dead ... even if it has some scarce support for SaProxy Pro (curiously a commercial product suppported in a sourceforge list ...); Bugs no longer available at Sourceforge.
+ * CVS for an earlier SAproxy (predating "Pro") remain available at SourceForge: (under "pop3") in
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/spamassassin/pop3/ - * SaProxy is not covered under the new apache site, but some help/advice can be sought in their lists [
http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/MailingLists Lists]
+ * SAproxy and SpamAssassin at sourceforge are not active. The SAproxy list at SourceForge is essentially inactive as well.
- * SaProxy old bugs/problems and current situation can be reviewed at [
http://bugzilla.spamassassin.org/buglist.cgi?short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=saproxy&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&changedin=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= Bugs]
-
-
-= Perspectives =
-
-a) hand installation of SAProxy last version; see SaProxyHowTo
-
-b) substitution by [
http://spamgrinderprox.sourceforge.net/ Spam Grinder Proxy]
-
-c) saproxy phoenix ? (that is, somebody joining the lost pieces ...)
-
-d) Dan Mc Donald recovering spare time?
+ * SAproxy is not covered under the new apache site, but some help/advice can be sought in their lists [
http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/MailingLists Lists]
+ * SAproxy old bugs/problems and current situation can be reviewed at [
http://bugzilla.spamassassin.org/buglist.cgi?short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=saproxy&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=RESOLVED&bug_status=VERIFIED&bug_status=CLOSED&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&changedin=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=noop&type0-0-0=noop&value0-0-0= Bugs]
= History =
-Dan Mc Donald is the father of Pop3proxy (Perl artistic license) that evolved (fullfilling license requirements) to SaProxy. Original Pop3Proxy in
http://mcd.perlmonk.org/pop3proxy/ +Dan McDonald is the father of Pop3proxy (Perl artistic license) that evolved (fullfilling license requirements) to SaProxy. Original Pop3Proxy in
http://mcd.perlmonk.org/pop3proxy/ -Dan, Johan Lindstrom and DanielQuinlan (last one commisioned by Stata Lab´s) made Pop3Proxy evolve into SaProxy (as per
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.spam.spamassassin.general/13810/match=pop3proxy)
+Dan, Johan Lindstrom and DanielQuinlan (Daniel under commission of Stata Labs) evolved Pop3Proxy into the much-improved SAproxy (as per
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.spam.spamassassin.general/13810/match=pop3proxy)
-SaProxy was under SpamAssassin sourceforge project (clearly an open source project).
+SAproxy was under SpamAssassin SourceForge project as an open source project for a time.
Major and minor versions and realeases (based on
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/spamassassin/pop3/ )
-- pop3proxy.pl at sourceforge
+- pop3proxy.pl at SourceForge
1.0 19 Nov 2002
@@ -78,7 +52,7 @@
1.15 26 May 2003
-- SaProxy at sourceforge
+- SAproxy at SourceForge
1.0, including SA 2.44, date unknown
@@ -86,47 +60,9 @@
1.2, including SA 2.55, and pop3proxy.pl 1.15?, 6 June 2003
-There have been later patches to bugs as per ... sourceforge bugs have gone ... I believe I have them somewhere in my pc ...
-
-SaProxy wraps SA and Pop3Proxy in a win installation and GUI, no Perl installation needed!
+SAproxy wraps SpamAssassin and pop3proxy.pl in a Win32 installation and GUI, no Perl installation needed!
Some bits of history:
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.spam.spamassassin.general/23054/match=pop3proxy http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.spam.spamassassin.general/13810/match=pop3proxy http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.spam.spamassassin.general/14020/match=pop3proxy -
-So, sourceforge list working but dead.
-
-SpamAssassin is under the apache project (
http://spamassassin.apache.org/). No SaProxy there. SaProxy could not be moved to the new apache site (
http://bugzilla.spamassassin.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1865 )
-
-Currently, SA list (not SaProxy or Pop3Proxy either) is hosted within apache:
http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/MailingLists -
-
-= Licence fulfillment =
-
-Those are my only thoughs/imagination
-
-SaProxy Pro from Stata Lab´s builds up from Pop3Proxy / SaProxy.
-
-As such, in order to fulfill its licence, that company must make sources available. Those were so in the early times, but in a rather obscure and difficult way for even advanced users:
-a) buried in their website, the initial version
-b) as patches to SA in sourceforge for the following version
-c) later versions, I was unable to find them ...
-
-According to contacted author, have not given permission to relieve the need to freely distribute the source code.
-
-It is not only my point of view
-
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.mail.spam.spamassassin.general/42505/match=pop3proxy -
-From my personal point of view, the makers of SAProxy PrO perhaps might be fullfilling the writings of licence requirements (?) but not its spirit ... Can check in:
-
http://www.statalabs.com/support/saproxypro/WebHelp/About_Spam_Assassin.htm -
-As they say:
-Sa Proxy Pro complies with the Perl Artistic License in the following ways:
-Following 3(a) by placing the modifications in the Public Domain
-...
-
-So, I believe this has make the open source community flew away from SAProxy ...
-
- ''(JustinMason: speaking as a member of the SA development team, I have no problem with what Stata Labs did; there are many commercial products using SpamAssassin, and our licenses have always explicitly allowed that. Please don't generalise about "the open source community" where this may mischaracterise the developers' opinions.)''
-