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[Mike C. Fletcher]
> Just downloaded the latest 1.5.2 for installation. Did the
> installation and got an error message telling me that the
> above-mentioned file is not on the path. Indeed, it does not
> seem to exist anywhere on the machine. I'm pretty sure this is
> part of TCL (the cygnus TCL distribution has a file named
> cw3215.dll). However, I have no idea where to get it.

Very strange! I don't have a cw3215mt.dll, but do have a cw3215.dll.
Presumably the former is a multi-threaded ("mt") version of the latter. The
strings in the latter identify it as verion 1.5 of the runtime for Borland
C++ 4.50. So bug Borland, or search the web for this name. Several
packages out there appear to distribue *some* dll with this name.

BTW, *when* did this error pop up? It's unclear. That is, did the
installation complete (in which case what does the error have to do with the
installation?), or did it occur during the install (in which case exactly
when during the install)? There's no mention of cw*.dll in either the
Tcl/Tk or Python install logs left behind by my 1.5.2 installation. Makes
me wonder whether the installer itself needs this DLL.

just-another-day-in-dll-hell-ly y'rs - tim

Problem is encountered when loading command-line Python or IDLE. IDLE is
non-functional, command line works fine after acknowledging the missing DLLs
(as far as I can see). I'm beginning to think there must be something
screwy with my configuration that messes with 1.5.2 where it didn't with 1.5
(which I believe was the last version on this machine). Could be the Cygnus
TCL is interfering I suppose.

Oh, of course most people would have figured it out by my calling it a DLL,
but this is on NT with the standard win32 installer from www.python.org .

Pythonwin works fine (no error messages at all). Python running a file as a
script also works fine (no error messages).

Must get back to work one of these days :) , enjoy,
Mike
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M i k e C . F l e t c h e r

mcfletch@vrtelecom.com

Designer, Researcher

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Peters <tim_one@email.msn.com>
To: Mike C. Fletcher <mcfletch@home.com>; <python-list@python.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 21:10
Subject: RE: Broken 1.5.2 installation? Missing cw3215mt.dll
...
> BTW, *when* did this error pop up? It's unclear. That is, did the
> installation complete (in which case what does the error have to do with
the
> installation?), or did it occur during the install (in which case exactly
> when during the install)? There's no mention of cw*.dll in either the
> Tcl/Tk or Python install logs left behind by my 1.5.2 installation. Makes
> me wonder whether the installer itself needs this DLL.
...

> Problem is encountered when loading command-line Python or IDLE. IDLE is
> non-functional, command line works fine after acknowledging the
> missing DLLs (as far as I can see).
> ...
> Could be the Cygnus TCL is interfering I suppose.

Aha! Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen, Mike. Having more than one
version of tk*.dll or tcl*.dll anywhere in your entire *city* is like
putting a male brain-eater in your left ear and a female brain-eater in your
right ear at the peak of brain-eater mating season, then betting you can
keep them apart by force of moral suasion. You should reformat your drives
and reinstall NT to be *sure* <wink>, but before that try uninstalling every
Tcl/Tk you have, "dir/s" your drives from the roots to make sure nothing
matching tk*.dll or tcl*.dll survived, uninstall Python, and reinstall
Python with the One True Tcl/Tk that comes with it.

followups-to-cameron-laird<wink>-ly y'rs - tim

Of course, should have done that in the first place (been too long since a
reformat). Second thing I should have done was to think a few seconds. I'd
renamed the cygnus install's directory but hadn't searched the system32
directory where some ancient version of the TK/TCL dlls was hanging
around...

Thanks Tim, all working fine now, evil old TCL dlls banished to the aether,
Mike
______________________________________
M i k e C . F l e t c h e r

mcfletch@vrtelecom.com

Designer, Researcher

----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Peters <tim_one@email.msn.com>
To: Mike C. Fletcher <mcfletch@home.com>; <python-list@python.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 1999 22:33
Subject: RE: Broken 1.5.2 installation? Missing cw3215mt.dll


> > Problem is encountered when loading command-line Python or IDLE. IDLE
is
> > non-functional, command line works fine after acknowledging the
> > missing DLLs (as far as I can see).
> > ...
> > Could be the Cygnus TCL is interfering I suppose.
>
> Aha! Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen, Mike. Having more than one
> version of tk*.dll or tcl*.dll anywhere in your entire *city* is like
> putting a male brain-eater in your left ear and a female brain-eater in
your
> right ear at the peak of brain-eater mating season, then betting you can
> keep them apart by force of moral suasion. You should reformat your
drives
> and reinstall NT to be *sure* <wink>, but before that try uninstalling
every
> Tcl/Tk you have, "dir/s" your drives from the roots to make sure nothing
> matching tk*.dll or tcl*.dll survived, uninstall Python, and reinstall
> Python with the One True Tcl/Tk that comes with it.
>
> followups-to-cameron-laird<wink>-ly y'rs - tim
>
>

Hi All--

Tim Peters wrote:
>

[snip]

> Aha! Stop your grinnin' and drop your linen, Mike. Having more than one
> version of tk*.dll or tcl*.dll anywhere in your entire *city* is like
> putting a male brain-eater in your left ear and a female brain-eater in your
> right ear at the peak of brain-eater mating season, then betting you can
> keep them apart by force of moral suasion. You should reformat your drives
> and reinstall NT to be *sure* <wink>, but before that try uninstalling every
> Tcl/Tk you have, "dir/s" your drives from the roots to make sure nothing
> matching tk*.dll or tcl*.dll survived, uninstall Python, and reinstall
> Python with the One True Tcl/Tk that comes with it.
>

[snort]

I've just been installing Python/Tcl/PyWin/Win32All/blah blah on several
Win machines (95/98/NTW/NTS) over the past several days. It's a long
story (soon to be a major motion picture starring Mel Gibson), but
suffice it to say that in *every* case IDLE refused to run out of the
box. All that was required, though, was to update PATH to include the
Python directory, the Tcl directory and the Tcl/bin directory. I've
also installed Python/Tcl on my three Linux machines--RH5.2 and
RH6.0-SMP--but I didn't have to fiddle with anything at all in order to
get IDLE to run just fine. Of course, Python and Tcl etc. have been in
my path permanently for a long time on Linux;-)

> followups-to-cameron-laird<wink>-ly y'rs - tim

I'll gladly follow Cameron around if he's responsible for the install;-)

<follow-the-one-true-path-to-enlightenment>-ly y'rs,
Ivan
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Ivan Van Laningham wrote:

> [snort]
>
> I've just been installing Python/Tcl/PyWin/Win32All/blah blah on
> several Win machines (95/98/NTW/NTS) over the past several days.
> It's a long story (soon to be a major motion picture starring Mel
> Gibson), but suffice it to say that in *every* case IDLE refused to
> run out of the box.

> ... I've also installed Python/Tcl on my three Linux
> machines--RH5.2 and RH6.0-SMP--but I didn't have to fiddle with
> anything at all in order to get IDLE to run just fine. Of course,
> Python and Tcl etc. have been in my path permanently for a long time
> on Linux;-)

[double snort]

A few months ago you were running some auto-port from a PDP-8. Did
RH finally convince you no warm-blooded animals were used in user
testing?



- Gordon

In article <1282960807-85602620@hypernet.com>,
Gordon McMillan <gmcm@hypernet.com> wrote:
>Ivan Van Laningham wrote:
.
.
.
>[double snort]
>
>A few months ago you were running some auto-port from a PDP-8. Did
>RH finally convince you no warm-blooded animals were used in user
>testing?
>
>
>
>- Gordon
>
>

Do it with a feathered snake, and he'll follow you an...
Whoops! This is in public.


Still rolling up those paper tapes,
--

Cameron Laird http://starbase.neosoft.com/~claird/home.html
claird@NeoSoft.com +1 281 996 8546 FAX

In article <37611D32.47BED973@callware.com>,
Ivan Van Laningham <ivanlan@callware.com> wrote:
.
.
.
>[snort]
>
>I've just been installing Python/Tcl/PyWin/Win32All/blah blah on several
>Win machines (95/98/NTW/NTS) over the past several days. It's a long
>story (soon to be a major motion picture starring Mel Gibson), but
>suffice it to say that in *every* case IDLE refused to run out of the
>box. All that was required, though, was to update PATH to include the
>Python directory, the Tcl directory and the Tcl/bin directory. I've
>also installed Python/Tcl on my three Linux machines--RH5.2 and
>RH6.0-SMP--but I didn't have to fiddle with anything at all in order to
>get IDLE to run just fine. Of course, Python and Tcl etc. have been in
>my path permanently for a long time on Linux;-)
>
>> followups-to-cameron-laird<wink>-ly y'rs - tim
>
>I'll gladly follow Cameron around if he's responsible for the install;-)
.
.
.
I regard installation as comparable to sanitation services
(garbage removal) in the real world: an enormous enabler
of comfort, theoretically inchoate, culturally underappre-
ciated--and not my specialty. My ignorance about
installation is even more massive than the one I have about
art, for truly all I know about installation is what works
for me.

My personal belief, in fact, is that there are *no* experts
in installation. It's turtles all the way, for everyone
I've asked seems to have a mentor whom he trusts beyond his
own experience. Elementary graph theory questions how this
embeds in a finite population, but all I can do is report
my own observations.

I don't know off-hand who's responsible for Tk installations.
If you want to track down the guilty parties, I'll be happy
to help. In regard to Python, of course, The Guido knows all.
--

Cameron Laird http://starbase.neosoft.com/~claird/home.html
claird@NeoSoft.com +1 281 996 8546 FAX

On 12 Jun 1999 13:23:36 -0500, claird@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (Cameron
Laird) declaimed the following in comp.lang.python:


>
> Do it with a feathered snake, and he'll follow you an...
> Whoops! This is in public.
>
Pity... That was starting to sound... interesting... <G>

Now there is a cover for the next Python book -- Quetzalcoatl!

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Hi All--

Gordon ``Cannibal'' McMillan wrote:
>
> Ivan Van Laningham wrote:
>
> > ... I've also installed Python/Tcl on my three Linux
> > machines--RH5.2 and RH6.0-SMP--but I didn't have to fiddle with
> > anything at all in order to get IDLE to run just fine. Of course,
> > Python and Tcl etc. have been in my path permanently for a long time
> > on Linux;-)
>
> [double snort]
>
> A few months ago you were running some auto-port from a PDP-8. Did
> RH finally convince you no warm-blooded animals were used in user
> testing?
>

The closest I ever got to a PDP-8 was a MicroVax. Disgusting box. As
my mother-in-law says, ``Oh wonderful. Everything I hate most in one
sandwich!''

And I understood that RH only uses poikilothermic cannibals in their
testing.

<that-explains-the-electrodes-in-gordon's-head>-ly y'rs,
Ivan
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Ivan Van Laningham
Callware Technologies, Inc.
ivanlan@callware.com
http://www.pauahtun.org
See also:
http://www.foretec.com/python/workshops/1998-11/proceedings.html
Army Signal Corps: Cu Chi, Class of '70
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