Hey
Just so this doesn't get lost in the noise, the elections-committee do
have an open mailing list now. See below for a summary I put together.
Troy, Tim and Monty followed up with some points I missed:
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/elections-committee/2013-October/thread.html
Mark.
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> From: Mark McLoughlin <markmc@redhat.com>
> Reply-to: Mark McLoughlin <markmc@redhat.com>
> To: elections-committee@lists.openstack.org
> Subject: [Elections-committee] Summarizing our latest thinking
> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 16:16:57 +0100
>
> Hi
>
> Since the foundation list thread kicked off, there's been a bunch of
> discussion on the foundation-board list and directly amongst ourselves.
>
> Now that we have this list, I think the first thing we need to do is
> summarize where those discussions have lead to.
>
> Here's my attempt, but please pile on with anything I missed. Also, I
> haven't put anyone's name against any of these positions for fear of
> misrepresenting anyone.
>
>
> * The advice that we cannot tweak the cumulative voting system without
> a bylaws change changes things. We now have the choice between:
>
> 1) do nothing
> 2) hold a vote on making any change change to the system
> 3) hold a vote on tweaking the cumulative system
> 4) hold a vote on changing to a particular system like
> STV/Condorcet
>
> I have expressed my order of preference as 4, 2, 3, 1
>
> * Apparently the membership numbers have greatly increased over the
> 6,000 members which I talked about. I don't see a public reference
> to this number anywhere, so I won't repeat it here.
>
> * There is debate over whether we could take a vote on a bylaws change
> in time for the next election cycle or whether it would have to be
> taken at the same time as the next round of elections.
>
> My take is that doing it with this years elections could give a
> better chance of turnout and we're unlikely to get a vote ready with
> sufficient campaigning in advance of that anyway.
>
> * Some feel that having multiple members affiliated with the same
> organization on the board is a serious and related issue. We have
> discussed whether we should hold a vote on this. Personally, I'm fine
> with including it as another vote along with the election system
> vote.
>
> * We discussed whether our concern about getting a sufficient turnout
> for a bylaws change points to a more fundamental underlying issue
> with our membership. Some discussion about whether members should
> automatically lose their membership if they do not vote in an
> election.
>
> * We have had some discussion about STV vs Condorcet that would be
> great to share, but I'm not best placed to summarize it
>
> * Our original report is still waiting to be published along with all
> other supporting materials from the Oct 3rd meeting
>
> Mark.
>
>
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Just so this doesn't get lost in the noise, the elections-committee do
have an open mailing list now. See below for a summary I put together.
Troy, Tim and Monty followed up with some points I missed:
http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/elections-committee/2013-October/thread.html
Mark.
-------- Forwarded Message --------
> From: Mark McLoughlin <markmc@redhat.com>
> Reply-to: Mark McLoughlin <markmc@redhat.com>
> To: elections-committee@lists.openstack.org
> Subject: [Elections-committee] Summarizing our latest thinking
> Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 16:16:57 +0100
>
> Hi
>
> Since the foundation list thread kicked off, there's been a bunch of
> discussion on the foundation-board list and directly amongst ourselves.
>
> Now that we have this list, I think the first thing we need to do is
> summarize where those discussions have lead to.
>
> Here's my attempt, but please pile on with anything I missed. Also, I
> haven't put anyone's name against any of these positions for fear of
> misrepresenting anyone.
>
>
> * The advice that we cannot tweak the cumulative voting system without
> a bylaws change changes things. We now have the choice between:
>
> 1) do nothing
> 2) hold a vote on making any change change to the system
> 3) hold a vote on tweaking the cumulative system
> 4) hold a vote on changing to a particular system like
> STV/Condorcet
>
> I have expressed my order of preference as 4, 2, 3, 1
>
> * Apparently the membership numbers have greatly increased over the
> 6,000 members which I talked about. I don't see a public reference
> to this number anywhere, so I won't repeat it here.
>
> * There is debate over whether we could take a vote on a bylaws change
> in time for the next election cycle or whether it would have to be
> taken at the same time as the next round of elections.
>
> My take is that doing it with this years elections could give a
> better chance of turnout and we're unlikely to get a vote ready with
> sufficient campaigning in advance of that anyway.
>
> * Some feel that having multiple members affiliated with the same
> organization on the board is a serious and related issue. We have
> discussed whether we should hold a vote on this. Personally, I'm fine
> with including it as another vote along with the election system
> vote.
>
> * We discussed whether our concern about getting a sufficient turnout
> for a bylaws change points to a more fundamental underlying issue
> with our membership. Some discussion about whether members should
> automatically lose their membership if they do not vote in an
> election.
>
> * We have had some discussion about STV vs Condorcet that would be
> great to share, but I'm not best placed to summarize it
>
> * Our original report is still waiting to be published along with all
> other supporting materials from the Oct 3rd meeting
>
> Mark.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Elections-committee mailing list
> Elections-committee@lists.openstack.org
> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/elections-committee
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