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Confirming from my end as well. I happen to have no phone service for the past 7 days for mysterious reasons, though VoWIFI and regular SMS works, but I did not get the emergency alert.

?On 10/4/23, 3:27 PM, "Outages on behalf of Jay R. Ashworth via Outages" <outages-bounces@outages.org <mailto:outages-bounces@outages.org> on behalf of outages@outages.org <mailto:outages@outages.org>> wrote:


I have a report from a usually reliable source that he did not receive today's
IPAWS/CMAS/WEA test message, and he surmises this might be because his phone
handset is forced to VoWIFI. I have a number of other reports, mostly though
not all, from the broadcast engineering community; nobody reported expecting
a CMAS and not getting it, so that's not data here.


Is anyone on the list involved with the FEMA/IPAWS/CMAS link, or knows someone
who is, and has a channel to clear this query up through?


I could be unsurprised to find that the carrier VoWIFI proxies missed out on
proxying SMS Cell Broadcast, which I gather provides the underlying PHY for
CMAS.


Cheers,
-- jra


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If not aware, it is possible to disable test alerts on iPhone like today’s specifically. https://support.apple.com/en-us/102516

I noticed mine was off the other day and turned it on in anticipation of today’s test.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2023, at 12:27?PM, Jay R. Ashworth via Outages <outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> ?I have a report from a usually reliable source that he did not receive today's
> IPAWS/CMAS/WEA test message, and he surmises this might be because his phone
> handset is forced to VoWIFI. I have a number of other reports, mostly though
> not all, from the broadcast engineering community; nobody reported expecting
> a CMAS and not getting it, so that's not data here.
>
> Is anyone on the list involved with the FEMA/IPAWS/CMAS link, or knows someone
> who is, and has a channel to clear this query up through?
>
> I could be unsurprised to find that the carrier VoWIFI proxies missed out on
> proxying SMS Cell Broadcast, which I gather provides the underlying PHY for
> CMAS.
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra
>
> --
> Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com
> Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100
> Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII
> St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
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Yesterday I verified that I had everything disabled, and still got the test.


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602-368-6403
On Oct 4, 2023 at 1:34?PM -0700, Brandon Svec via Outages <outages@outages.org>, wrote:
> If not aware, it is possible to disable test alerts on iPhone like today’s specifically. https://support.apple.com/en-us/102516
>
> I noticed mine was off the other day and turned it on in anticipation of today’s test.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 4, 2023, at 12:27?PM, Jay R. Ashworth via Outages <outages@outages.org> wrote:
> >
> > I have a report from a usually reliable source that he did not receive today's
> > IPAWS/CMAS/WEA test message, and he surmises this might be because his phone
> > handset is forced to VoWIFI.  I have a number of other reports, mostly though
> > not all, from the broadcast engineering community; nobody reported expecting
> > a CMAS and not getting it, so that's not data here.
> >
> > Is anyone on the list involved with the FEMA/IPAWS/CMAS link, or knows someone
> > who is, and has a channel to clear this query up through?
> >
> > I could be unsurprised to find that the carrier VoWIFI proxies missed out on
> > proxying SMS Cell Broadcast, which I gather provides the underlying PHY for
> > CMAS.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -- jra
> >
> > --
> > Jay R. Ashworth                  Baylink                       jra@baylink.com
> > Designer                     The Things I Think                       RFC 2100
> > Ashworth & Associates       http://www.bcp38.info          2000 Land Rover DII
> > St Petersburg FL USA      BCP38: Ask For It By Name!           +1 727 647 1274
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They do not use the test header for these NPTs so your phone sees it as a
valid alert.

Benjamin

On Wed, Oct 4, 2023, 1:37 PM Carlos Alvarez via Outages <outages@outages.org>
wrote:

> Yesterday I verified that I had everything disabled, and still got the
> test.
>
>
> —
> Carlos Alvarez
> 602-368-6403
> On Oct 4, 2023 at 1:34?PM -0700, Brandon Svec via Outages <
> outages@outages.org>, wrote:
>
> If not aware, it is possible to disable test alerts on iPhone like today’s
> specifically. https://support.apple.com/en-us/102516
>
> I noticed mine was off the other day and turned it on in anticipation of
> today’s test.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 4, 2023, at 12:27?PM, Jay R. Ashworth via Outages <
> outages@outages.org> wrote:
>
> ?I have a report from a usually reliable source that he did not receive
> today's
> IPAWS/CMAS/WEA test message, and he surmises this might be because his
> phone
> handset is forced to VoWIFI. I have a number of other reports, mostly
> though
> not all, from the broadcast engineering community; nobody reported
> expecting
> a CMAS and not getting it, so that's not data here.
>
> Is anyone on the list involved with the FEMA/IPAWS/CMAS link, or knows
> someone
> who is, and has a channel to clear this query up through?
>
> I could be unsurprised to find that the carrier VoWIFI proxies missed out
> on
> proxying SMS Cell Broadcast, which I gather provides the underlying PHY for
> CMAS.
>
> Cheers,
> -- jra
>
> --
> Jay R. Ashworth Baylink
> jra@baylink.com
> Designer The Things I Think RFC
> 2100
> Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land
> Rover DII
> St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647
> 1274
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay R. Ashworth via Outages" <outages@outages.org>

> I could be unsurprised to find that the carrier VoWIFI proxies missed out on
> proxying SMS Cell Broadcast, which I gather provides the underlying PHY for
> CMAS.

I have now an authoritative report that no, the carrier WIFI proxies --
carrying your voice calls to your carrier over someone else's wifi and the
Internet, to be clear -- does *not* proxy the cellular control channel
necessary to make CMAS/WEA work, and those alerts can be expected NOT to
arrive if your phone is on WIFI only or out of all range of ANY carrier's
towers.

The only reports I'm still looking for are ones from people who are sure their
phone was set to WIFI-only, and was out of range of cell coverage, and still
got the national test alert, today at 1418EDT.

Thanks,
-- jra
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Also, I believe this specific type of alert cannot be disabled in the U.S. This is the “dear taxpayer, nuclear war has just broken out and you’re gonna die horriblybut we wanted you to have some time to have regrets” alert.

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On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 15:36, Carlos Alvarez via Outages <[outages@outages.org](mailto:On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 15:36, Carlos Alvarez via Outages <<a href=)> wrote:

> Yesterday I verified that I had everything disabled, and still got the test.
>
> —
> Carlos Alvarez
> 602-368-6403
> On Oct 4, 2023 at 1:34?PM -0700, Brandon Svec via Outages <outages@outages.org>, wrote:
>
>> If not aware, it is possible to disable test alerts on iPhone like today’s specifically. https://support.apple.com/en-us/102516
>>
>> I noticed mine was off the other day and turned it on in anticipation of today’s test.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 4, 2023, at 12:27?PM, Jay R. Ashworth via Outages <outages@outages.org> wrote:
>>
>>> ?I have a report from a usually reliable source that he did not receive today's
>>> IPAWS/CMAS/WEA test message, and he surmises this might be because his phone
>>> handset is forced to VoWIFI. I have a number of other reports, mostly though
>>> not all, from the broadcast engineering community; nobody reported expecting
>>> a CMAS and not getting it, so that's not data here.
>>>
>>> Is anyone on the list involved with the FEMA/IPAWS/CMAS link, or knows someone
>>> who is, and has a channel to clear this query up through?
>>>
>>> I could be unsurprised to find that the carrier VoWIFI proxies missed out on
>>> proxying SMS Cell Broadcast, which I gather provides the underlying PHY for
>>> CMAS.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -- jra
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jay R. Ashworth Baylink jra@baylink.com
>>> Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100
>>> Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII
>>> St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Outages mailing list
>>> Outages@outages.org
>>> https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/outages
>>
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This conversation should have been moved to -discussion hours ago.
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From: Outages <outages-bounces@outages.org> on behalf of Ryan McGinnis via Outages <outages@outages.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 4, 2023 6:35:08 PM
To: Outages <outages@outages.org>
Subject: Re: [outages] IPAWS/FEMA National Test - VoWIFI

Also, I believe this specific type of alert cannot be disabled in the U.S. This is the “dear taxpayer, nuclear war has just broken out and you’re gonna die horribly but we wanted you to have some time to have regrets” alert.

Ryan McGinnis
ryan@digicana.com<mailto:ryan@digicana.com>
https://bigstormpicture.com<http://bigstormpicture.com>
GPG: 5C73 8727 EE58 786A 777C 4F1D B5AA 3FA3 486E D7AD




On Wed, Oct 4, 2023 at 15:36, Carlos Alvarez via Outages <outages@outages.org<mailto:On%20Wed,%20Oct%204,%202023%20at%2015:36,%20Carlos%20Alvarez%20via%20Outages%20<<a%20href=>> wrote:
Yesterday I verified that I had everything disabled, and still got the test.


—
Carlos Alvarez
602-368-6403
On Oct 4, 2023 at 1:34?PM -0700, Brandon Svec via Outages <outages@outages.org>, wrote:
If not aware, it is possible to disable test alerts on iPhone like today’s specifically. https://support.apple.com/en-us/102516

I noticed mine was off the other day and turned it on in anticipation of today’s test.


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 4, 2023, at 12:27?PM, Jay R. Ashworth via Outages <outages@outages.org> wrote:

?I have a report from a usually reliable source that he did not receive today's
IPAWS/CMAS/WEA test message, and he surmises this might be because his phone
handset is forced to VoWIFI. I have a number of other reports, mostly though
not all, from the broadcast engineering community; nobody reported expecting
a CMAS and not getting it, so that's not data here.

Is anyone on the list involved with the FEMA/IPAWS/CMAS link, or knows someone
who is, and has a channel to clear this query up through?

I could be unsurprised to find that the carrier VoWIFI proxies missed out on
proxying SMS Cell Broadcast, which I gather provides the underlying PHY for
CMAS.

Cheers,
-- jra

--
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Designer The Things I Think RFC 2100
Ashworth & Associates http://www.bcp38.info 2000 Land Rover DII
St Petersburg FL USA BCP38: Ask For It By Name! +1 727 647 1274
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On Wed, 4 Oct 2023, Ryan McGinnis via Outages wrote:
> Also, I believe this specific type of alert cannot be disabled in the U.S.
>  This is the “dear taxpayer, nuclear war has just broken out and
> you’re gonna die horribly but we wanted you to have some time to have
> regrets” alert.    

In the European Union, it is call EU-Alert Level 1.

It is a global standard. Cannot disable the Presidential Alert,
EU-Alert Level 1, etc. Whether a country uses all emergency mobile alert
levels is a country-by-county decision.

Almost all mobile phone implements the global standards the same way.
None allow the user opt-out of the mandatory national alert code (EU-Alert
Level 1, Presidential Alert, whatever its called). Some countries use
the mandatory national alert code, other countries don't.

Here is the EU version of the global emergency mobile alert standard
https://www.etsi.org/deliver/etsi_ts/102900_102999/102900/01.03.01_60/ts_102900v010301p.pdf


Tourist phones will work the same way as locally purchased phones when
used in each country.