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Flex licensing on MPC10

Mar 25, 2020, 12:32 PM

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Hey folks,

Anyone have MPC10's in production yet? Or perhaps any other shiny new Junos
thing that is coming with only "Flex" licensing out of the gate (so not
mx204, mx10k3).

We traditionally keep a warm spare device in the lab + purchase NBD
support, then spare from our lab whiile RMA'ing the faulty hardware. With
flex licensed items, there's the hw cost, support cost, and additional
license.

https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/juniper-flex-program-support-for-hardware-platforms.html#MPC10E

Allegedly one can move the license around, but we're not quite sure how. Is
there a self serve portal for this? Does one have to go through JTAC?

How does the card act when unlicensed? IE we have it slotted in a lab MX
blowing air, but that MX has CoS and other things configured. According to
the link above, it looks like most things won't function without a license.
Does it just throw a red alarm (for now)? Would it be unusable to lab test
on various configs without a license?

Cheers
--Chris
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Re: Flex licensing on MPC10 [ In reply to ]

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Apr 7, 2020, 9:18 PM

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Re: Flex licensing on MPC10 [ In reply to ]

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Jun 4, 2020, 11:51 PM

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Hi Richard,

Thanks for the explanation. But, for example, suppose I have an ADVANCED
license for 5 years. After 5 years, I do not remember or see the alarms
from the equipment indicating that it will be out of license.
Will all features stop working?

Regards,

Javier.

El mié., 8 abr. 2020 a las 1:20, Richard McGovern via juniper-nsp (<
juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net>) escribió:

>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Richard McGovern <rmcgovern@juniper.net>
> To: Chris Wopat <me@falz.net>
> Cc: Juniper List <juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net>
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 04:18:21 +0000
> Subject: Re: [j-nsp] Flex licensing on MPC10
> Yes Flex Licensing allows the license to move from one device, to
> another. You purchase a Flex license which last for a period of time, and
> includes support - no extra Support SKU is needed. The license is NOT tie
> to any hardware! This is different than older original Perpetual License
> model. There you purchased License (upfront cost) tie to a specific piece
> of HW, and then paid Support on top of this. if you did not renew Support
> for the P License SKU, you lost ability to use those features, for
> basically like forever.
>
> At this time many Juniper Licensed features are "honor based" and Juniper
> uses EULA sort of like do not copy on DVDs __ A Flex License can only be
> used on one applicable product, at any moment in time. If you want
> multiple products to be allowed to run any licensed feature, multiple
> license would need to be purchased. Now in the future if features (some
> features are already there) are actually restricted without a license, if
> you move a Flex License from one system to another, the feature support
> moves with in. One major advantage for Flex vs Permanent Licenses, if you
> only want to use a feature for say 1 or 3 years, you purchase license with
> that length of time, and at the end you just do not renewal the license.
> Now 1 or 2 years down the road you determine you want that feature back,
> you just repurchase the license. With Permanent you could stop renewing
> support after 1 or 3 years, but without continued Support Juniper is not
> required to allow a renewal when years are skipped. Juniper may charge
> extra for years you skipped support for a P License, or make you purchased
> new License to get support. The upfront Cost for Permanent plus Support is
> greater than the equivalent for Flex, but then the yearly cost of Flex
> (which includes Support) is greater than P License Renewal cost. I believe
> based upon some calculations, that on average Permanent is more cost
> effective after like 7/8 years of use, vs Flex. In todays every changing
> market dynamics, 7/8 years is like a very LONG time.
>
> Hopefully this helps.
>
> Just FYI, Rich
>
>
> Richard McGovern
> Sr Sales Engineer, Juniper Networks
> 978-618-3342
>
> I’d rather be lucky than good, as I know I am not good
> I don’t make the news, I just report it
>
>
> ?On 3/25/20, 3:32 PM, "Chris Wopat" <me@falz.net> wrote:
>
> Hey folks,
>
> Anyone have MPC10's in production yet? Or perhaps any other shiny new
> Junos
> thing that is coming with only "Flex" licensing out of the gate (so not
> mx204, mx10k3).
>
> We traditionally keep a warm spare device in the lab + purchase NBD
> support, then spare from our lab whiile RMA'ing the faulty hardware.
> With
> flex licensed items, there's the hw cost, support cost, and additional
> license.
>
>
> https://www.juniper.net/documentation/en_US/junos/topics/concept/juniper-flex-program-support-for-hardware-platforms.html#MPC10E
>
> Allegedly one can move the license around, but we're not quite sure
> how. Is
> there a self serve portal for this? Does one have to go through JTAC?
>
> How does the card act when unlicensed? IE we have it slotted in a lab
> MX
> blowing air, but that MX has CoS and other things configured.
> According to
> the link above, it looks like most things won't function without a
> license.
> Does it just throw a red alarm (for now)? Would it be unusable to lab
> test
> on various configs without a license?
>
> Cheers
> --Chris
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> To: Chris Wopat <me@falz.net>
> Cc: Juniper List <juniper-nsp@puck.nether.net>
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> Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2020 04:18:21 +0000
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Re: Flex licensing on MPC10 [ In reply to ]

pokui at psg

Jun 5, 2020, 4:14 AM

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On 8 Apr 2020, at 7:18 EAT, Richard McGovern via juniper-nsp wrote:

> Yes Flex Licensing allows the license to move from one device, to
> another. You purchase a Flex license which last for a period of time,
> and includes support - no extra Support SKU is needed. The license is
> NOT tie to any hardware! This is different than older original
> Perpetual License model. There you purchased License (upfront cost)
> tie to a specific piece of HW, and then paid Support on top of this.
> if you did not renew Support for the P License SKU, you lost ability
> to use those features, for basically like forever.

Thanks for the clarification.

I will take some time to read up on the details of this new licensing
scheme. I must say though that I miss the time when if I needed specific
features on my m10i router all I’d need to do is buy the correct
services PIC. That and support for the router itself.

--
patrick
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