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Hi Gerald,
aiui the modules report back as per their eprom/nvram and not because of what
software they run.

Steve

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Gerald Krause wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have just saw an 'NI4GMR' labeled module which is reporting itself as a
> 'B4GMR4' in the 'sh ver' output and I'am afraid it's an BigIron module.
>
> The software runnung on that module is B2R07800a.bin. Hm, maybe it would
> turn into a 'real' NetIron after putting a N2xxxxx.bin image on it? :)
>
> --Gerald
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Am Donnerstag, 25. August 2005 11:42 schrieb Stephen J. Wilcox:
> On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Gerald Krause wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have just saw an 'NI4GMR' labeled module which is reporting itself as
> > a 'B4GMR4' in the 'sh ver' output and I'am afraid it's an BigIron
> > module.
> >
> > The software runnung on that module is B2R07800a.bin. Hm, maybe it
> > would turn into a 'real' NetIron after putting a N2xxxxx.bin image on
> > it? :)
>
> Hi Gerald,
> aiui the modules report back as per their eprom/nvram and not because of
> what software they run.

Hello Steve,

ok, than I have a mislabeled module. Bad.

--Gerald

I've heard that one can run the NI software on a BI module.
Give it a try...


Gunther

i dont think thats true..

you can definitely run BI code on NI but i dont think a BI will boot on NI code.

i believe this is a forced software restriction (ie you want the NI extra
feature, you need to pay for one)

heres BI on NI:
SW: Version 09.1.02eT53 Copyright (c) 1996-2003 Foundry Networks, Inc.
Compiled on Aug 18 2004 at 15:13:51 labeled as B2P09102e
(2893862 bytes) from Primary b2p09102e.bin
HW: Stackable NI4802, SYSIF version 21, Serial #: Non-exist

Steve

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Gunther Stammwitz wrote:

> I've heard that one can run the NI software on a BI module.
> Give it a try...
>
>
> Gunther
>
>

Am Donnerstag, 25. August 2005 12:15 schrieb Stephen J. Wilcox:
> i dont think thats true..
>
> you can definitely run BI code on NI but i dont think a BI will boot on
> NI code.

That is what I have in my mind too.

> i believe this is a forced software restriction (ie you want the NI extra
> feature, you need to pay for one)
>
> heres BI on NI:
> SW: Version 09.1.02eT53 Copyright (c) 1996-2003 Foundry Networks, Inc.
> Compiled on Aug 18 2004 at 15:13:51 labeled as B2P09102e
> (2893862 bytes) from Primary b2p09102e.bin
> HW: Stackable NI4802, SYSIF version 21, Serial #: Non-exist
>
> Steve

I have this oputput:

NetIron Router#sho ver
SW: Version 07.8.00aT53 Copyright (c) 1996-2004 Foundry Networks, Inc.
Compiled on Oct 04 2004 at 16:42:07 labeled as B2R07800a
(3636356 bytes) from Primary B2R07800a.bin
HW: NetIron 400 Router, SYSIF version 21, Serial #: Non-exist
=========================================================================
SL 1: B4GMR4 M4 Management Module, SYSIF 2, M4, ACTIVE
Serial #: Non-exist
8192 KB BRAM, SMC version 1, BM version 21
512 KB PRAM(512K+0K) and 2048*8 CAM entries for DMA 0, version 0209
512 KB PRAM(512K+0K) and shared CAM entries for DMA 1, version 0209
=========================================================================

But the Module in slot 1 is labeled as "NI4GMR". Strange.


--Gerald

> > you can definitely run BI code on NI but i dont think a BI will boot on
> > NI code.
>
> That is what I have in my mind too.
>

My understanding - and this may well be wrong :-) - is that the fundamental
difference between the bigiron and netiron product is a licensing issue rather
than a technical one (with the exception of memory...). The hardware is
largely identical.

The difference between the BI and NI chassis - apart from labelling - is
a single chip on the backplane, which identifies the unit and controls which
modules/code can be used on that chassis.

Disclaimer: This may be nonsense. I did ask Foundry about this some
time ago, and ended up thoroughly confused :-)

Bruce.
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On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Bruce Rodger wrote:

> > > you can definitely run BI code on NI but i dont think a BI will boot on
> > > NI code.
> >
> > That is what I have in my mind too.
> >
>
> My understanding - and this may well be wrong :-) - is that the fundamental
> difference between the bigiron and netiron product is a licensing issue rather
> than a technical one (with the exception of memory...). The hardware is
> largely identical.
>
> The difference between the BI and NI chassis - apart from labelling - is
> a single chip on the backplane, which identifies the unit and controls which
> modules/code can be used on that chassis.
>
> Disclaimer: This may be nonsense. I did ask Foundry about this some
> time ago, and ended up thoroughly confused :-)

no, this is correct as per what foundry have told me.. i've also seen the
contents of the chip and how to make your box think its whatever you want it to
be :)

Steve

Am Donnerstag, 25. August 2005 12:50 schrieb Gerald Krause:
> Am Donnerstag, 25. August 2005 12:15 schrieb Stephen J. Wilcox:
> > i dont think thats true..
> >
> > you can definitely run BI code on NI but i dont think a BI will boot on
> > NI code.
>
> That is what I have in my mind too.
>
> > i believe this is a forced software restriction (ie you want the NI
> > extra feature, you need to pay for one)
> >
> > heres BI on NI:
> > SW: Version 09.1.02eT53 Copyright (c) 1996-2003 Foundry Networks,
> > Inc. Compiled on Aug 18 2004 at 15:13:51 labeled as B2P09102e (2893862
> > bytes) from Primary b2p09102e.bin
> > HW: Stackable NI4802, SYSIF version 21, Serial #: Non-exist
> >
> > Steve
>
> I have this oputput:
>
> NetIron Router#sho ver
> SW: Version 07.8.00aT53 Copyright (c) 1996-2004 Foundry Networks, Inc.
> Compiled on Oct 04 2004 at 16:42:07 labeled as B2R07800a
> (3636356 bytes) from Primary B2R07800a.bin
> HW: NetIron 400 Router, SYSIF version 21, Serial #: Non-exist
> =========================================================================
> SL 1: B4GMR4 M4 Management Module, SYSIF 2, M4, ACTIVE
> Serial #: Non-exist
> 8192 KB BRAM, SMC version 1, BM version 21
> 512 KB PRAM(512K+0K) and 2048*8 CAM entries for DMA 0, version 0209
> 512 KB PRAM(512K+0K) and shared CAM entries for DMA 1, version 0209
> =========================================================================
>
> But the Module in slot 1 is labeled as "NI4GMR". Strange.

Now I've been able to test it: the B4GMR4 mgm-module boots up the NI
software so I assume (hope) it will be a 'real' NI even it's still hiding
this fact (when looking at the Slot1 output):

NetIron Router#sh ver
SW: Version 09.2.00B1T53 Copyright (c) 1996-2004 Foundry Networks, Inc.
Compiled on Aug 22 2005 at 14:04:12 labeled as N2P09200B1
(2908270 bytes) from Flash card
HW: NetIron 400 Router, SYSIF version 21, Serial #: Non-exist
==========================================================================
SL 1: B4GMR4 M4 Management Module, SYSIF 2, M4, ACTIVE
Serial #: CH33011327
8192 KB BRAM, SMC version 1, BM version 21
512 KB PRAM(512K+0K) and 2048*8 CAM entries for DMA 0, version 0209
512 KB PRAM(512K+0K) and shared CAM entries for DMA 1, version 0209
==========================================================================


--Gerald