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Netcom Issues
Hi.

I'm seeing alot of problems with Netcom, and I can't seem to get
any info from them, the net, or the normal grapevine.

Anyone have any info to share?

-alan

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Re: Netcom Issues [ In reply to ]
We've got a multi-homed customer that also uses them... I tracerouted out
from the CPE into Netcom, and it only got one hop in, to their San Francisco
routers... Died before getting down to their San Jose stuff. I don't know
much about their internal architecture, so I can't speculate what that means
precisely. We called their tech support number, and got a message that they
were having a "general network fault" or some such. :-) We first
noticed it just after 3:00pm yesterday, Tuesday.

-Bill Woodcock
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Re: Netcom Issues [ In reply to ]
Alan Hannan said:
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> Hi.
>
> I'm seeing alot of problems with Netcom, and I can't seem to get
> any info from them, the net, or the normal grapevine.
>
> Anyone have any info to share?

I heard from one of our customer that Netcom had a major outage last night
and he personally was still recovering. No specifics though.

--
Andy Roberts, Systems Engineer roberts@uu.net
UUNET Technologies, Inc. (v) 703-206-5716
3060 Williams Drive, Suite 601 (f) 703-641-7703
Fairfax, VA 22031
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Re: Netcom Issues [ In reply to ]
> I'm seeing alot of problems with Netcom, and I can't seem to get
> any info from them, the net, or the normal grapevine.
>
> Anyone have any info to share?

Would this be a good time to remind folks that Stan Barber set up a
list to discuss methods of inter-provider service outage notification
at the last NANOG. Subscribe by sending a message to
outage-discuss-request@academ.com, with "subscribe" in the body of
the message.

Hopefully folks will begin to realize it is in their own self-interest
to let folks know when things aren't working. Its hard to work on
fixing the problem when all your phone lines are swamped with customers
(and other providers) telling you things aren't working. Not even
AT&T has enough telephone operators to handle all the calls when their
network goes down.

So far I've come up with two models.

Telephone model: inband notification, such as a busy signal. The ideal
would be for a way to wedge an explaination into the ICMP unreachable
message. This is similar to the phone company putting a message "You
call can't go through because of an earthquake in the area" instead of
just a busy signal.

Airline model: out-of-band notification, such as the arrivals/departures
displays at airports. Query some (hopefully distributed) database for
current network information for each network. This is similar to the
airport flight displays that say on-time, boarding, delayed, crashed
for each flight.

Remember, if you don't provide the information, your competitors will
make something up. I've already seen one posting that (falsely) claimed
NETCOM went out of business.
--
Sean Donelan, Data Research Associates, Inc, St. Louis, MO
Affiliation given for identification not representation
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Re: Netcom Issues [ In reply to ]
On Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:24:33 CDT, Alan Hannan wrote:

> I'm seeing alot of problems with Netcom, and I can't seem to get
> any info from them, the net, or the normal grapevine.

I read about it on one of the ISP lists. Called their tech support
around 09:00 PDT this morning and got a report that a few of the POPs
were up around the country, but they didn't know which ones.

Later today, one of their press people actually admitted to being down
from yesterday afternoon until 05:00 PDT today, although I couldn't see
any of their web or mail/shell servers until about noon.

Here's the original message from the list. Do they really have a single
point of failure someplace?

>Message-Id: <v03006f08adecee442329@[157.22.222.199]>
>Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 16:41:50 -0700
>To: inet-access-dist@earth.com
>From: "Rusty H. Hodge" <rusty@hodge.com>
>Subject: Major Net Failure at Netcom
>
>As of about 4pm today, Netcom has had a major failure of their entire
>network, apparently all POPs are down as well as all leased line customers.
>The have localized the problem to their BGP/OSPF routers. (wow, that must
>have taken a brain surgeon to figure out.)
>
>At the moment, they have disconnected themselves from MAE-West and "have
>the people who designed the network working on it".

>--
>Rusty Hodge <rusty@hodge.com>
>Hodge [Interactive] Productions 801 Minnesota Ave. Studio 9
>San Francisco CA 94107 tel +1.415.826.9500 fax +1.415.641.7773

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