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On 8/17/23 11:26 AM, scott via NANOG wrote:
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> I don't want to overwhelm the list, but since there's interest here's
> something interesting I just now got from the electric company.  400
> poles and 300 transformers.  Wow!

Those of us from California and the west have watched this in abject
horror and I myself was completely clueless this was possible.

Mike, who lives 10 miles from where the Caldor fire started that burned
all the way to Tahoe and grew up going to Paradise to visit my grandparents

On 8/17/23 6:28 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
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> On 8/17/23 11:26 AM, scott via NANOG wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't want to overwhelm the list, but since there's interest here's
>> something interesting I just now got from the electric company.  400
>> poles and 300 transformers.  Wow!
>
> Those of us from California and the west have watched this in abject
> horror and I myself was completely clueless this was possible.
>
> Mike, who lives 10 miles from where the Caldor fire started that burned
> all the way to Tahoe and grew up going to Paradise to visit my grandparents


Me too. I have friends and family over there. Even though I am not
(and they were not) affected it has had a big impact on my emotions.

Also, fto answer an an earlier email - I found the Paniolo cable we
connected to for the Lahaina MPLS node was a land run that was
underground, so it didn't get burned.

scott

It’s SUPER common for all of the carriers on a cell site to share the same common backhaul path. And I can tell you from personal hands-on experience the majority (90+%) of cell sites in the US have simplex connectivity.

On Aug 17, 2023, at 2:00 PM, TJ Trout <tj@pcguys.us> wrote:

?I'm familiar with the island, it's it's puzzling that the major 3 cell carriers would accept a single point of failure like that, you would think they had microwave backup at minimum. Maybe it was a generator issue.
I'm sure a few cells burned but there are over ten on the west side so they didn't all burn.
Feet on the ground are reporting they brought in at least a few COWS (cellular on wheels/portable cell site trucks)
On Thu, Aug 17, 2023, 12:53 AM William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:

On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 6:43?PM scott via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
> Last, it's an island and diverse paths are
> short in number.

To put it into perspective: there are exactly TWO roads that can get
you from Lahaina back to Kahului and the airport. One of them is a
narrow, cliff-hugging single lane road that is more or less paved.

Though I am curious about the Paniolo cable landing in Lahaina. Did it
survive? HICS and HIFN land in Kihei instead, right?

Regards,
Bill Herrin



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bill@herrin.us
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The single road, or two road situation is extremely similar to what is
happening right now in some parts of canada, with massive forest fires in
the northwest territories, cutting off Yellowknife and rural communities.
If the fiber is built along the one road that exists, and that one road
gets overwhelmed by Forest fire, game over.

On Thu, Aug 17, 2023, 12:51 AM William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 16, 2023 at 6:43?PM scott via NANOG <nanog@nanog.org> wrote:
> > Last, it's an island and diverse paths are
> > short in number.
>
> To put it into perspective: there are exactly TWO roads that can get
> you from Lahaina back to Kahului and the airport. One of them is a
> narrow, cliff-hugging single lane road that is more or less paved.
>
> Though I am curious about the Paniolo cable landing in Lahaina. Did it
> survive? HICS and HIFN land in Kihei instead, right?
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
>
>
> --
> William Herrin
> bill@herrin.us
> https://bill.herrin.us/
>