On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 8:31 AM Jared Mauch <jared@puck.nether.net> wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2021 at 01:07:01AM -0800, Eric Kuhnke wrote:
> > On that note, I'd be very interested in hearing stories of actual
> incidents
> > that are the cause of why cardboard boxes are banned in many facilities,
> > due to loose particulate matter getting into the air and setting off very
> > sensitive fire detection systems.
> >
> > Or maybe it's more mundane and 99% of the reason is people unpack stuff
> and
> > don't always clean up properly after themselves.
>
> We had a plastic bag sucked into the intake of a router in a
> datacenter once that caused it to overheat and take the site down. We
> had cameras in our cage and I remember seeing the photo from the site of
> the colo (I'll protect their name just because) taken as the tech was on
> the phone and pulled the bag out of the router.
>
> The time from the thermal warning syslog that it's getting warm
> to overheat and shutdown is short enough you can't really get a tech to
> the cage in time to prevent it.
>
1: A previous employer was a large customer of a (now defunct) L3 switch
vendor. The AC power inputs were along the bottom of the power supply, and
the big aluminium heatsinks in the power supplies were just above the AC
socket.
Anyway, the subcontractor who made the power supplies for the vendor
realized that they could save a few cents by not installing the little
metal clip that held the heatsink to the MOSFET, and instead relying on the
thermal adhesive to hold it...
This worked fine, until a certain number of hours had passed, at which
point the goop would dry out and the heatsink would fall down, directly
across the AC socket.... This would A: trip the circuit that this was on,
but, more excitingly, set the aluminum on fire, which would then ignite the
other heatsinks in the PSU, leading to much fire...
2: A somewhat similar thing would happen with the Ascend TNT Max, which had
side-to-side airflow. These were dial termination boxes, and so people
would install racks and racks of them. The first one would draw in cool air
on the left, heat it up and ship it out the right. The next one over would
draw in warm air on the left, heat it up further, and ship it out the
right... Somewhere there is a fairly famous photo of a rack of TNT Maxes,
with the final one literally on fire, and still passing packets.
There is a related (and probably apocryphal) regarding the launch of the
TNT. It was being shipped for a major trade-show, but got stuck in customs.
After many bizarre calls with the customs folk, someone goes to the customs
office to try and sort it out, and get greeted by custom agents with guns.
They all walk into the warehouse, and discover that there is a large empty
area around the crate, which is a wooden cube, with "TNT" stencilled in big
red letters...
3: I used to work for a small ISP in Yonkers, NY. We had a customer in
Florida, and on a Friday morning their site goes down. We (of course) have
not paid for Cisco 4 hour support (or, honestly, any support) and they have
a strict SLA, so we are a little stuck.
We end up driving to JFK, and lugging a fully loaded Cisco 7507 to the
check in counter. It was just before the last flight of the day, so we
shrugged and said it was my checked bag. The excess baggage charges were
eye-watering, but it rode the conveyor belt with the rest of the luggage
onto the plane. It arrived with just a bent ejector handle, and the rest
was fine.
4: Not too long after I started doing networking (and for the same small
ISP in Yonkers), I'm flying off to install a new customer. I (of course)
think that I'm hot stuff because I'm going to do the install, configure the
router, whee, look at me! Anyway, I don't want to check a bag, and so I
stuff the Cisco 2501 in a carryon bag, along with tools, etc (this was all
pre-9/11!). I'm going through security and the TSA[0] person opens my bag
and pulls the router out. "What's this?!" he asks. I politely tell him that
it's a router. He says it's not. I'm still thinking that I'm the new
hotness, and so I tell him in a somewhat condescending way that it is, and
I know what I'm talking about. He tells me that it's not a router, and is
starting to get annoyed. I explain using my "talking to a 5 year old" voice
that it most certainly is a router. He tells me that lying to airport
security is a federal offense, and starts looming at me. I adjust my
attitude and start explaining that it's like a computer and makes the
Internet work. He gruffly hands me back the router, I put it in my bag and
scurry away. As I do so, I hear him telling his colleague that it wasn't a
router, and that he certainly knows what a router is, because he does
woodwork...
5: Another one. In the early 2000s I was working for a dot-com boom
company. We are building out our first datacenter, and I'm installing a
pair of Cisco 7206s in 811 10th Ave. These will run basically the entire
company, we have some transit, we have some peering to configure, we have
an AS, etc. I'm going to be configuring all of this; clearly I'm a
router-god...
Anyway, while I'm getting things configured, this janitor comes past,
wheeling a garbage bin. He stops outside the cage and says "Whatcha
doin'?". I go into this long explanation of how these "routers" <point>
will connect to "the Internet" <wave hands in a big circle> to allow my
"servers" <gesture at big black boxes with blinking lights> to talk to
other "computers" <typing motion> on "the Internet" <again with the waving
of the hands>. He pauses for a second, and says "'K. So, you doing a full
iBGP mesh, or confeds?". I really hadn't intended to be a condescending
ass, but I think of that every time I realize I might be assuming something
about someone based on thier attire/job/etc.
W
[0]: Well, technically pre-TSA, but I cannot remember what we used to call
airport security pre-TSA...
>
> I assume also the latter above, which is people have varying
> definitons of clean.
>
> - Jared
>
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