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DNS ideas
With all this craziness in DNS land lately (the internic going nutz, the
root domains wigging this morning, etc.), I had come up with on the
craziest thoguhts I think I ever thunk (!!). Anyway, what about a
structure like this:


1) Root domain name server operators (RDNSO) -- a selected 10 or 15 people
in the US and abroad would provide thier *own* equipment, the bandwidth, et
al. The would do this *for profit*. They would be reviewed, approved, and
contracted by the 'internet community' as a whole, maybe that community
represented by a commitee or a board. These people would get PAID for
having the TLD servers. By who? See #2 # #3.

2) Forward Registries -- Everyone has been complaining about how bad the
internic, etc., and why should we have to pay for domains, etc. So, my idea
is this. The registries would *pay* the RDNSO to host thier TLD's on thier
server. This would provide a fair, and equal way for competition among
registries, without having multiple '.'s (ala alternic), and wouldn't
compromise the RDNSO, beacuse if they screw around and listen to the wrong
registry, etc., they would be thrown out. The registries can charge
anything they want; but, the consumer will have the advantage of choosing
which regsitry they want to use. The only disadvantage is that a TLD (com,
edu, net, etc.) is 'owned' by a particular registry. But, hey, thats why
you go to Ford if you want a Taurus.

3) Reverse Registries -- pretty much the same as #2, but in the ongoing
effort to conserve ip space (tm), the formation of multiple reverse
registries should be regulated (excuse the term, but nothing else really
applies). I think the end-all decision of who gets to be a reverse registry
is by the IANA, then approved by the board in #1.

Any comments?

---

"Don't go with a spineless ISP;
we have more backbone."

Alex Rubenstein -- alex@nac.net -- KC2BUO -- www.nac.net
net @ccess corporation, 201-983-0725 -- 201-983-0725
Re: DNS ideas [ In reply to ]
Sounds like eDNS... and that model does work IMHO.

On Thu, 17 Jul 1997, Alex Rubenstein wrote:

>
> With all this craziness in DNS land lately (the internic going nutz, the
> root domains wigging this morning, etc.), I had come up with on the
> craziest thoguhts I think I ever thunk (!!). Anyway, what about a
> structure like this:
>
>
> 1) Root domain name server operators (RDNSO) -- a selected 10 or 15 people
> in the US and abroad would provide thier *own* equipment, the bandwidth, et
> al. The would do this *for profit*. They would be reviewed, approved, and
> contracted by the 'internet community' as a whole, maybe that community
> represented by a commitee or a board. These people would get PAID for
> having the TLD servers. By who? See #2 # #3.
>
> 2) Forward Registries -- Everyone has been complaining about how bad the
> internic, etc., and why should we have to pay for domains, etc. So, my idea
> is this. The registries would *pay* the RDNSO to host thier TLD's on thier
> server. This would provide a fair, and equal way for competition among
> registries, without having multiple '.'s (ala alternic), and wouldn't
> compromise the RDNSO, beacuse if they screw around and listen to the wrong
> registry, etc., they would be thrown out. The registries can charge
> anything they want; but, the consumer will have the advantage of choosing
> which regsitry they want to use. The only disadvantage is that a TLD (com,
> edu, net, etc.) is 'owned' by a particular registry. But, hey, thats why
> you go to Ford if you want a Taurus.
>
> 3) Reverse Registries -- pretty much the same as #2, but in the ongoing
> effort to conserve ip space (tm), the formation of multiple reverse
> registries should be regulated (excuse the term, but nothing else really
> applies). I think the end-all decision of who gets to be a reverse registry
> is by the IANA, then approved by the board in #1.
>
> Any comments?
>
> ---
>
> "Don't go with a spineless ISP;
> we have more backbone."
>
> Alex Rubenstein -- alex@nac.net -- KC2BUO -- www.nac.net
> net @ccess corporation, 201-983-0725 -- 201-983-0725
>
Re: DNS ideas [ In reply to ]
Why?

At 11:42 AM 7/17/97 -0400, Marc Hurst wrote:
>
>Sounds like eDNS... and that model does work IMHO.
>
>On Thu, 17 Jul 1997, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
>
>>
>> With all this craziness in DNS land lately (the internic going nutz, the
>> root domains wigging this morning, etc.), I had come up with on the
>> craziest thoguhts I think I ever thunk (!!). Anyway, what about a
>> structure like this:
>>
>>
>> 1) Root domain name server operators (RDNSO) -- a selected 10 or 15 people
---

"Don't go with a spineless ISP;
we have more backbone."

Alex Rubenstein -- alex@nac.net -- KC2BUO -- www.nac.net
net @ccess corporation, 201-983-0725 -- 201-983-0725
Re: DNS ideas [ In reply to ]
On Thu, 17 Jul 1997, Alex Rubenstein wrote:

>
> Why?
>
> At 11:42 AM 7/17/97 -0400, Marc Hurst wrote:
> >
> >Sounds like eDNS... and that model does work IMHO.
> >
> >On Thu, 17 Jul 1997, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> With all this craziness in DNS land lately (the internic going nutz, the
> >> root domains wigging this morning, etc.), I had come up with on the
> >> craziest thoguhts I think I ever thunk (!!). Anyway, what about a
> >> structure like this:
> >>
> >>
> >> 1) Root domain name server operators (RDNSO) -- a selected 10 or 15 people

Well, actually within eDNS these people are more like volunteers. But
everyone has donated their feed, machines and time to make our current
model work. Actually Karl Denninger deserves the lions' share of the
credit for eDNS holding together thus far.

> ---
>
> "Don't go with a spineless ISP;
> we have more backbone."
>
> Alex Rubenstein -- alex@nac.net -- KC2BUO -- www.nac.net
> net @ccess corporation, 201-983-0725 -- 201-983-0725
>
Re: DNS ideas [ In reply to ]
I don't know if changing the policy under which root servers are run
(or the people that run them) is a long term solution and I'll leave
the short term question to be debated by others. However, I am curious
if there might be a better method to name service design which would
lessen the dependancy on a set of root servers. Is anyone aware of
proposals for aternative methods of implementing nameservice?

(And is there a better forum in which to discuss such proposals?)

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Re: DNS ideas [ In reply to ]
> Is anyone aware of proposals for aternative methods of implementing
> nameservice?

Nothing serious of which I am aware.

> (And is there a better forum in which to discuss such proposals?)

namedroppers@internic.net is the list for discussion of name service
technology and protocols, but not really for ops issues.

randy