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In middle London they will get a strong signal from Crystal Palace transmitter with the proverbial piece of wet string.
As for DRM, all the non subscription channels you'd ever want to watch (and also those you wouldn't) are restriction free. I have seen no discussion which might change this but the BBC funding mechanism is always a matter of debate and a change from annual TV license by all to a subscription mechanism might be on the cards st some time in the future.

I think that things like the BT subscription services are Internet delivered, Sky is satellite.


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Subject: [mythtv-users] State of OTA in the UK

Was watching the gang at Antennas Direct using one of their antennas to scan for channels in Piccadilly Circus.

https://youtu.be/9euIS4d8ckU

Just curious what the state of OTA is in the UK. Any whiff of broadcasters changing to a standard that allows DRM or is that not allowed by law?

On Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 1:22 p.m. Philip Brady <phil.brady@hotmail.co.uk>
wrote:

> In middle London they will get a strong signal from Crystal Palace
> transmitter with the proverbial piece of wet string.
> As for DRM, all the non subscription channels you'd ever want to watch
> (and also those you wouldn't) are restriction free. I have seen no
> discussion which might change this but the BBC funding mechanism is always
> a matter of debate and a change from annual TV license by all to a
> subscription mechanism might be on the cards st some time in the future.
>
> I think that things like the BT subscription services are Internet
> delivered, Sky is satellite.
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>
>
>
> Thanks for the info.

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>

Ian Evans <dheianevans@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just curious what the state of OTA is in the UK. Any whiff of broadcasters changing to a standard that allows DRM or is that not allowed by law?

IIRC the BBC is not permitted to encrypt it’s channels, there was “some heated discussion” a few years ago when they encrypted the listing stream for HD channels to prevent “non approved” equipment from working properly.
I think other companies are free to encrypt if they wish to, and IIRC there are some subscription channels on Freeview.

But in general, I find there’s more than enough freely available material - certainly enough that it’s filling my disks faster than I have time to watch and delete stuff.

Simon

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On Tue, Jul 25, 2023, 2:04 p.m. Simon <linux@thehobsons.co.uk> wrote:

> Ian Evans <dheianevans@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Just curious what the state of OTA is in the UK. Any whiff of
> broadcasters changing to a standard that allows DRM or is that not allowed
> by law?
>
> IIRC the BBC is not permitted to encrypt it’s channels, there was “some
> heated discussion” a few years ago when they encrypted the listing stream
> for HD channels to prevent “non approved” equipment from working properly.
> I think other companies are free to encrypt if they wish to, and IIRC
> there are some subscription channels on Freeview.
>
> But in general, I find there’s more than enough freely available material
> - certainly enough that it’s filling my disks faster than I have time to
> watch and delete stuff.
>
> Simon
>
>
>
That's good to hear. My US neighbours still have ATSC signals but
broadcasters are starting to DRM their ATSC3 signals, so when that becomes
the standard in a few years, MythTV will be unable to record them. Luckily
in Canada, the broadcasters are so dismissive of OTA that they're unlikely
to spend the $$$ to upgrade to ATSC3.

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