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My two cents:

Switching to a currently-recording feed without any feedback might mislead
the forgetful user, who would likely then try to change channels, which
would have to be prevented or the recording would be ruined.

I think the idea of joining a recording in process is a good one, but that
there should be a message and the possibility of selecting the currently
active recording, if appropriate. It would be a nice way around navigating
to the recordings area.

DAM

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From: mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org
[mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org] On Behalf Of Richard Doherty
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:24 PM
To: Discussion about mythtv
Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] MythTV -- And a Suggestion


>
> > In addition to wanting to fix this problem so I can use my
> Myth, I would
> > also like to tactfully suggest that this error message is a
> design flaw,
> > even when correctly displayed.
>
> From: Isaac Richards [mailto:ijr@po.cwru.edu]
>
> It is not a design flaw. You're ignoring the fact that
> mythtv supports
> multiple tuner cards. It would have to present a list of
> currently recording
> programs for the user to select, and the watch recordings
> screen does just
> that. No sense in duplicating functionality.

I am being tactful, right? I a big fan of Myth.

The message 'your tuner is being used' is unpleasant, and I think I'm
suggesting, unnecessary. There are tivo's with multiple tuners, and they do
this alternate behavior.

Currently, when my tuner is being used and I select Watch TV, I get a big
error message. Then I have to navigate over (a buncha menu items) to find
the show to watch. Unpleasant.

Myth currently has the brains to see if there is an available tuner, and use
that open tuner. This is great behavior.

All I'm suggesting is that, like Tivo, if all tuners are taken, simply pick
one and play whatever it's recording, rather than put up an error message.
I agree with you that having to select which busy tuner you'd like is
overkill. But playing something is perhaps better than giving the error.

On Wednesday 06 August 2003 03:42 pm, David A. Mason wrote:
> My two cents:
>
> Switching to a currently-recording feed without any feedback might mislead
> the forgetful user, who would likely then try to change channels, which
> would have to be prevented or the recording would be ruined.
>
> I think the idea of joining a recording in process is a good one, but that
> there should be a message and the possibility of selecting the currently
> active recording, if appropriate. It would be a nice way around navigating
> to the recordings area.

I'll accept a patch that makes it pop up the message and give an additional
option to the user that makes it go to the watch recordings screen.

Isaac
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Yes, in the original suggestion (and how Tivo does it), if you try to
change channels while it's recording, you get the message "I'm currently
recording Survivor on this channel." with the responses: "Yes, stop
recording Survivor and change the channel" or "No, continue recording
Survivor"



> -----Original Message-----
> From: David A. Mason [mailto:damason@redshift.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:42 PM
> To: 'Discussion about mythtv'
> Subject: RE: [mythtv-users] MythTV -- And a Suggestion
>
>
> My two cents:
>
> Switching to a currently-recording feed without any feedback
> might mislead
> the forgetful user, who would likely then try to change
> channels, which
> would have to be prevented or the recording would be ruined.
>
> I think the idea of joining a recording in process is a good
> one, but that
> there should be a message and the possibility of selecting
> the currently
> active recording, if appropriate. It would be a nice way
> around navigating
> to the recordings area.
>
> DAM
>

Hmmm, I must say this makes sense for a multi-tuner system, but why the
rediction to the Watch Recording screen when you have only one tuner?

A possible scenario could be:

- I am watching a program
- I have to leave so I hit 'r' (the OSD could pop up for a moment
showing "recording...") [*]
- Trying to change the channel should now warn me that a recording is in
progress
- Hitting escape gets me back to the menu
- Selecting Watch TV again should just get me back to the program I was
watching (the OSD could again pop up for a moment showing "recording...")

And even for a multi-tuner system it seems quite logiacl that selecting
Watch TV would just show me the image of the last tuner I watched
before. If I want to see the image of one of the other tuners I can
still go to the Watch Recordings page.

Not suggesting we should go out and immediately change everything, just
curious if you would be happy with the scenario I just described.

Cheers,
-Tako

[*] - Maybe it already does give feedback, hitting R doesn't seem to do
anything right now for me.

PS: Isn't it possible to Stop an in-progress recording? If I go to the
Delete Recordings I can only delete it or leave it recording (in fact
even after deleting it continues recording? Is/was that a known bug?)

Isaac Richards wrote:

>On Wednesday 06 August 2003 03:42 pm, David A. Mason wrote:
>
>
>>My two cents:
>>
>>Switching to a currently-recording feed without any feedback might mislead
>>the forgetful user, who would likely then try to change channels, which
>>would have to be prevented or the recording would be ruined.
>>
>>I think the idea of joining a recording in process is a good one, but that
>>there should be a message and the possibility of selecting the currently
>>active recording, if appropriate. It would be a nice way around navigating
>>to the recordings area.
>>
>>
>
>I'll accept a patch that makes it pop up the message and give an additional
>option to the user that makes it go to the watch recordings screen.
>
>Isaac
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On Wednesday 06 August 2003 05:49 pm, Tako Schotanus wrote:
> Hmmm, I must say this makes sense for a multi-tuner system, but why the
> rediction to the Watch Recording screen when you have only one tuner?

The frontend has absolutely no ideas about how many tuners there are, which
are online, etc.

> And even for a multi-tuner system it seems quite logiacl that selecting
> Watch TV would just show me the image of the last tuner I watched
> before. If I want to see the image of one of the other tuners I can
> still go to the Watch Recordings page.
>
> Not suggesting we should go out and immediately change everything, just
> curious if you would be happy with the scenario I just described.

I'm quite happy with the current way it works, and I think I'd only accept a
patch that did what I described earlier.

> PS: Isn't it possible to Stop an in-progress recording? If I go to the
> Delete Recordings I can only delete it or leave it recording (in fact
> even after deleting it continues recording? Is/was that a known bug?)

You can't stop it, and the other bug's been fixed in CVS a long time ago.

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Isaac Richards wrote:

>On Wednesday 06 August 2003 05:49 pm, Tako Schotanus wrote:
>
>
>>Hmmm, I must say this makes sense for a multi-tuner system, but why the
>>rediction to the Watch Recording screen when you have only one tuner?
>>
>>
>
>The frontend has absolutely no ideas about how many tuners there are, which
>are online, etc.
>
[typo] "rediction" = "redirection" of course ;-)

If the frontend can show a message that all tuners are busy and it can
show that a program is currently being recorded in the Watch Recordings
screen why couldn't it just decide to skip all the intermediate steps
and immediately start showing the in-progress recording? If you really
really only want to do this when there is only one tuner available to
the backend wouldn't it be possible to make a way in which the frontend
can ask the backend for the number of tuners it has available?

>>And even for a multi-tuner system it seems quite logiacl that selecting
>>Watch TV would just show me the image of the last tuner I watched
>>before. If I want to see the image of one of the other tuners I can
>>still go to the Watch Recordings page.
>>
>>Not suggesting we should go out and immediately change everything, just
>>curious if you would be happy with the scenario I just described.
>>
>>
>
>I'm quite happy with the current way it works, and I think I'd only accept a
>patch that did what I described earlier.
>
...

>>PS: Isn't it possible to Stop an in-progress recording? If I go to the
>>Delete Recordings I can only delete it or leave it recording (in fact
>>even after deleting it continues recording? Is/was that a known bug?)
>>
>>
>
>You can't stop it, and the other bug's been fixed in CVS a long time ago.
>
Ok, the message in Watch TV suggests that by saying that you can
"cancel" a recording in the Delete Recording screen.
My version from CVS is at most a week old, if that's a "long time ago"
okay, if not the bug is still there (actually I hit D from the Watch
Recordings screen).

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On Wednesday 06 August 2003 07:13 pm, Tako Schotanus wrote:
> Ok, the message in Watch TV suggests that by saying that you can
> "cancel" a recording in the Delete Recording screen.
> My version from CVS is at most a week old, if that's a "long time ago"
> okay, if not the bug is still there (actually I hit D from the Watch
> Recordings screen).

Works perfectly fine here. Figure out what's wrong and send in a patch, or at
least try to debug it a little.

Isaac
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