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better way to record / feature req
tom at sagoons
Jul 31, 2003, 10:45 PM
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Forgive te poor quality, Im doing this at work and all I have here is
mspaint. anyway, the basic idea is that when you get to the record
screen, it allows you to change the time to start recording, and the time
to stop recording (this would make it easy to adjust the start-stop times
on an individual basis). The record options, this is what we currently
have. Save latest, how many episodes to save. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 2 days, 3,
days, 1 week, All Episodes. For example, say you want to record every
episode of Seinfield on every channel. Thats ~4 a day. Now say you dont
want to fill up your HD with just seinfield, but you do like to keep a
few episodes around to watch. So you might set it to 'save the latest 4
episodes'. This would of course automatically delete a previous episode
just before it begins the latest recording. The idea is to give the user
complete control, from one screen, over all aspects of a recording.
Just my $0.37, I may be out of line.

--Tom

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RE: better way to record / feature req [ In reply to ]
christianh at pdd
Jul 31, 2003, 11:00 PM
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org
> [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org] On Behalf Of Tom Howard
> Sent: Friday, 1 August 2003 3:45 PM
> To: mythtv-users@mythtv.org
> Subject: [mythtv-users] better way to record / feature req
>
>
> Forgive te poor quality, Im doing this at work and all I have here is
> mspaint. anyway, the basic idea is that when you get to the record
> screen, it allows you to change the time to start recording,
> and the time
> to stop recording (this would make it easy to adjust the
> start-stop times
> on an individual basis). The record options, this is what we
> currently
> have. Save latest, how many episodes to save. 1, 2, 3, 4,
> 5, 2 days, 3,
> days, 1 week, All Episodes. For example, say you want to
> record every
> episode of Seinfield on every channel. Thats ~4 a day. Now
> say you dont
> want to fill up your HD with just seinfield, but you do like
> to keep a
> few episodes around to watch. So you might set it to 'save
> the latest 4
> episodes'. This would of course automatically delete a
> previous episode
> just before it begins the latest recording. The idea is to
> give the user
> complete control, from one screen, over all aspects of a recording.
> Just my $0.37, I may be out of line.
>

CVS does the "keep only x episodes part" and will only remove them when
drive space gets below a configurable level. It doesn't support keep the
last x days episodes though. IMO "keep x episodes" is good enough.

As for changing the record start and stop times, you are limited to a
pre and post additional recording on every recording. I believe that's
good enough.

CH
RE: better way to record / feature req [ In reply to ]
quintesse at palacio-cristal
Aug 1, 2003, 1:30 AM
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> [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org] On Behalf Of Christian Hack
> Sent: vrijdag 1 augustus 2003 8:00
>
>
> > [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org] On Behalf Of Tom Howard
> > Sent: Friday, 1 August 2003 3:45 PM
> >
> >
> > Forgive te poor quality, Im doing this at work and all I
> have here is
> > mspaint. anyway, the basic idea is that when you get to the record
> > screen, it allows you to change the time to start recording,
> > and the time
> > to stop recording (this would make it easy to adjust the
> > start-stop times
> > on an individual basis).
<snip>
> >
>
<snip>
>
> As for changing the record start and stop times, you are limited to a
> pre and post additional recording on every recording. I believe that's
> good enough.

I beg to differ :-)

For me personally the global preroll and overtime settings are just not
good enough.
There are some channels that really don't seem to adhere very well to
the times the give in the TV guides, one channel regularly differing up
to 15 minutes from the given times (and that's the channel for my
girlfriend's daily soap, so woe on me if ever even one minute would be
lost!). But at the same time a record some cartoons in the morning and I
don't want to add half an hour of preroll+overtime to a 10 minute
cartoon!

But I'm still not sure if this means it should be possible to edit the
start and end times or if we should "per program" preroll and overtime
settings. Maybe we should even allow both? (changing start/end times is
more strict than preroll/overtime because the system might decide to
abort a recording that is in preroll/overtime if the tuner is needed for
other things)

-Tako
RE: better way to record / feature req [ In reply to ]
spin at avalon
Aug 4, 2003, 11:46 AM
Post #4 of 6 (1367 views)
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Quick question: when the CVS code deletes a show because you set keep X
episodes, does it delete it from oldrecorded as well, so it will catch
it again? I've wanted an auto-delete feature of some sort for a while
but I always figured that to be useful an auto-delete function (no
matter how you configure it) would have to remove it from oldrecorded
too.

I agree with Tako here, the global adjustments for start/end time
probably aren't good enough for many users. I rarely miss anything due
to start/end time differences because most channels generously pad their
shows with commercials. However, I can see where it would be required
when dealing with channels that refuse to keep decent time.



On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 01:00, Christian Hack wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org
> > [mailto:mythtv-users-bounces@mythtv.org] On Behalf Of Tom Howard
> > Sent: Friday, 1 August 2003 3:45 PM
> > To: mythtv-users@mythtv.org
> > Subject: [mythtv-users] better way to record / feature req
> >
> >
> > Forgive te poor quality, Im doing this at work and all I have here is
> > mspaint. anyway, the basic idea is that when you get to the record
> > screen, it allows you to change the time to start recording,
> > and the time
> > to stop recording (this would make it easy to adjust the
> > start-stop times
> > on an individual basis). The record options, this is what we
> > currently
> > have. Save latest, how many episodes to save. 1, 2, 3, 4,
> > 5, 2 days, 3,
> > days, 1 week, All Episodes. For example, say you want to
> > record every
> > episode of Seinfield on every channel. Thats ~4 a day. Now
> > say you dont
> > want to fill up your HD with just seinfield, but you do like
> > to keep a
> > few episodes around to watch. So you might set it to 'save
> > the latest 4
> > episodes'. This would of course automatically delete a
> > previous episode
> > just before it begins the latest recording. The idea is to
> > give the user
> > complete control, from one screen, over all aspects of a recording.
> > Just my $0.37, I may be out of line.
> >
>
> CVS does the "keep only x episodes part" and will only remove them when
> drive space gets below a configurable level. It doesn't support keep the
> last x days episodes though. IMO "keep x episodes" is good enough.
>
> As for changing the record start and stop times, you are limited to a
> pre and post additional recording on every recording. I believe that's
> good enough.
>
> CH
>
>
>
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RE:better way to record / feature req [ In reply to ]
tom at sagoons
Aug 4, 2003, 12:48 PM
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It would basically tell the DB to delete the oldest currently saved
recording in order to make room for a new one. Anyone who has used the Time
Warner DVR can see this functionality in action. The TWDVR has some really
good ideas but some really major bugs too. That's why we have myth :-)



Tom





>Quick question: when the CVS code deletes a show because you set keep X
>episodes, does it delete it from oldrecorded as well, so it will catch
>it again? I've wanted an auto-delete feature of some sort for a while
>but I always figured that to be useful an auto-delete function (no
>matter how you configure it) would have to remove it from oldrecorded
>too.
>
>I agree with Tako here, the global adjustments for start/end time
>probably aren't good enough for many users. I rarely miss anything due
>to start/end time differences because most channels generously pad their
>shows with commercials. However, I can see where it would be required
>when dealing with channels that refuse to keep decent time.
Re: better way to record / feature req [ In reply to ]
cpinkham at bc2va
Aug 4, 2003, 2:44 PM
Post #6 of 6 (1366 views)
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> Quick question: when the CVS code deletes a show because you set keep X
> episodes, does it delete it from oldrecorded as well, so it will catch
> it again? I've wanted an auto-delete feature of some sort for a while
> but I always figured that to be useful an auto-delete function (no
> matter how you configure it) would have to remove it from oldrecorded
> too.

There are a couple different things going on. If you set MaxEpisodes
and do not set the MaxNewest field then Myth will stop recording once
the MaxEpisodes count is reached. If you do turn on the Max Newest
field, then Myth will auto-delete the oldest recording once you go over
the max count. In the first case, oldrecorded isn't touched because
nothing is being deleted (it just stops recording new shows). In
the second case it will not touch oldrecorded since it makes
no assumptions about whether the show being deleted has been watched
or not.

--

Chris

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