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Hauppauge Freestyle Info & ?s
I'm looking to put together a multiple (3) tuner system. I was planning to
use the Hauppauge PVR-250, but now I'm seeing talk about this Hauppauge
Freestyle, which could save me about $40 (or more) per card. It looks like
a good solution would be one PVR-250 for the remote control capability and
two Freestyles for the $ savings. Here's some info I've found about the
Freestyle:

1. The Freestyle's part number is 48432 rev I110, while the PVR-250's part
number is 48011 rev G726

2. I've found the Freestyle for sale in two places: Newegg for $91 plus $5
S/H
(http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduct.asp?DEPA=&submit=Go&description=haupp
auge+freestyle) and Z-Buy for $86 plus $4 S/H
(http://www.z-buy.com/product.asp?item=VG-WINTVPP2). I've purchased
products from both Newegg and Z-Buy before with good success, although I've
heard others RAVE about Newegg and how good they are with returns.

3. I've also seen it for sale on EBay fairly often from a seller called
Techsys Unlimited, but they advertise it as a PVR-250 without any cables,
drivers, manuals, or remotes. I've been watching these auctions closely for
about two months, and the lowest price I've seen it sell for is $79 plus $8
S/H, and that was only once. Most of the time they sell for over $100.

4. Both the Freestyle and the PVR-250 record using a hardware MPEG encoder,
which means they both can be used in computers without super powerful
processors. Note that a decent processor is still needed for video
playback, as that is done in software. According to the Hauppauge website
for the PVR-250, at least a 600 MHz Pentium II is needed for time-shifting
TV which includes both recording and playback.

5. Newegg has picture of both the Freestyle and the PVR-250. It looks like
both have an RF connector (typical cable TV) input and an S-Video input.
The PVR-250 has an audio input (typical line in jack) and a remote control
input. The Freestyle has 3 RCA connectors which Newegg says are composite
video in and audio in left and right.

6. The PVR-250 comes with a remote (w/ batteries), a remote sensor, some
kind of S-Video adapter, and a software/driver CD. The Freestyle comes with
NOTHING other than the card.

7. The Hauppauge website seems to have NO information on the Freestyle.

8. From reading posts on this list, it looks like both the Freestyle and
the PVR-250 work fine with MythTV. Posts also seem to indicate that the
PVR-250 has the best recording quality. I'm guessing that the Freestyle
would be comparable, but I haven't read anything confirming this.

This is pretty much EVERYTHING I know about these two cards. Before I start
making any purchases, I'd like to get a little more information. Here are
my questions:

1. Do multiple Hauppauge cards work together? I'm interested in any
combinations of Freestyles and PVR-250s.

2. Do the Freestyle and PVR-250 use the same software drivers? I'm
interested in both under Linux/MythTV and (bite-my-tongue) Windows.

3. Some other TV Tuner cards need to be jumpered to a computer systems
sound card in order for audio to be heard or recorded. Is this necessary
for the PVR-250 and the Freestyle?

4. The Techsys EBay ad for the Freestyle says that it must be installed in
the middle PCI slot of the motherboard. I'm guessing that this is just for
maximum cooling. Does anyone know of any other restriction?

Sorry for the fairly long post, but hopefully this will help others with
their purchasing decisions also. Thanks in advance for any information.

Drew


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Re: Hauppauge Freestyle Info & ?s [ In reply to ]
Thus spake Drew Lenze:
> 8. From reading posts on this list, it looks like both the Freestyle and
> the PVR-250 work fine with MythTV. Posts also seem to indicate that the
> PVR-250 has the best recording quality. I'm guessing that the Freestyle
> would be comparable, but I haven't read anything confirming this.

Since I've never seen a PVR-250 clip, I'm not sure, but I could provide
a short segment from the Freestyle at 720x480, for comparison. Granted,
a fair amount of any differences could be due to input signal quality.

> 1. Do multiple Hauppauge cards work together? I'm interested in any
> combinations of Freestyles and PVR-250s.

Multi-card support should be stable (according to a news post from June
25th on the ivtv website).

> 2. Do the Freestyle and PVR-250 use the same software drivers? I'm
> interested in both under Linux/MythTV and (bite-my-tongue) Windows.

As far as I know. I grabbed the firmware package from the 250 for use
with my Freestyle, and it's been working fine. In Linux, the ivtv
driver covers both. In Windows, I'm assuming you can just use the 250
drivers, or something very close.

> 3. Some other TV Tuner cards need to be jumpered to a computer systems
> sound card in order for audio to be heard or recorded. Is this necessary
> for the PVR-250 and the Freestyle?

No, those cards do hardware MPEG2 compression. The card dumps an MPEG2
stream, including audio...it doesn't need to record the audio
separately.

> 4. The Techsys EBay ad for the Freestyle says that it must be installed in
> the middle PCI slot of the motherboard. I'm guessing that this is just for
> maximum cooling. Does anyone know of any other restriction?

That's odd...mine isn't in the middle slot, and it works just fine. I'm
not aware of any other restrictions.

--
Nathan Poznick <poznick@conwaycorp.net>

With people of only moderate ability modesty is mere honesty; but with
those who possess great talent it is hypocrisy. - Arthur Schopenhauer
Re: Hauppauge Freestyle Info & ?s [ In reply to ]
>8. From reading posts on this list, it looks like both the Freestyle and
>the PVR-250 work fine with MythTV. Posts also seem to indicate that the
>PVR-250 has the best recording quality. I'm guessing that the Freestyle
>would be comparable, but I haven't read anything confirming this.

The quality should be the same. It's the same tuner, same encoding chip.

>1. Do multiple Hauppauge cards work together? I'm interested in any
>combinations of Freestyles and PVR-250s.

There are reports on the ivtv mailing list of multiple cards working fine.
Haven't tried this myself, though.


>2. Do the Freestyle and PVR-250 use the same software drivers? I'm
>interested in both under Linux/MythTV and (bite-my-tongue) Windows.

Yes. The Freestyle uses the PVR-250 drivers, since that's in essence what
it is, but with different connectors.

>3. Some other TV Tuner cards need to be jumpered to a computer systems
>sound card in order for audio to be heard or recorded. Is this necessary
>for the PVR-250 and the Freestyle?

No, they handle the audio internally. The audio is sent from the tuner
directly to the MPEG encoder chip, so there's no jumper cables or anything
to mess with. You don't need a sound card to record TV with audio.

>4. The Techsys EBay ad for the Freestyle says that it must be installed in
>the middle PCI slot of the motherboard. I'm guessing that this is just for
>maximum cooling. Does anyone know of any other restriction?

It requires a bus mastering PCI slot. The ebay ad text comes directly
from the Gateway web site, so presumably gateway systems have a bus
mastering middle PCI slot. (but who knows about the others.... sounds a
little strange)

-WD
Re: Hauppauge Freestyle Info & ?s [ In reply to ]
Will Dormann wrote:

>>4. The Techsys EBay ad for the Freestyle says that it must be installed in
>>the middle PCI slot of the motherboard. I'm guessing that this is just for
>>maximum cooling. Does anyone know of any other restriction?
>>
>>
>
>It requires a bus mastering PCI slot. The ebay ad text comes directly
>from the Gateway web site, so presumably gateway systems have a bus
>mastering middle PCI slot. (but who knows about the others.... sounds a
>little strange)
>
>
one thing you might want to note is that the heatsink on the main chip
on the 350 gets really rather hot
not impossible to touch it - but i wouldn't want to hold it for more
than a second

so good airflow around the card is important
--
simon
Re: Hauppauge Freestyle Info & ?s [ In reply to ]
On Sun, Jul 27, 2003 at 02:00:05PM -0500, Drew Lenze wrote:
> 1. Do multiple Hauppauge cards work together? I'm interested in any
> combinations of Freestyles and PVR-250s.

I can answer this one definitively. I have two PVR-250's and they worked
out-of-the-box with the latest ivtv package. Picture/sound quality is
fantastic.

I run mine at full NTSC height/width at the highest quality/bitrate. It
takes about 4GB/hour per card. At these settings, I would get a few (a
dozen or so per hour) dropped frames, but a simple code change in the ivtv
driver eliminated even that. For details, look for my earlier post(s).

Also, there is some traffic on the ivtv-devel mailing list this weekend
about IO_REMAP settings to prevent excessive memory usage. I haven't tried
this yet, but at this point, multiple Hauppauge card support can only get
better (starting from "quite good").

Russ

P.S. I am about to ask a mailing-list question concerning the output files
from these cards confusing mplayer, so don't mistake this "I love these
cards" post with "there is nothing to be improved." ;-)